Jibber Jabber - Q1 - 29

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Re: Q1 Volume 29

Postby Grayson Morris » Wed Feb 29, 2012 9:33 am

Hey, just be glad I didn't write it using mathematical notation. wotf022
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Re: Q1 Volume 29

Postby CaptMickeyd » Wed Feb 29, 2012 9:43 am

Hey, just be glad I didn't write it using mathematical notation.


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Re: Q1 Volume 29

Postby s_c_baker » Wed Feb 29, 2012 9:49 am

Grayson Morris wrote:
s_c_baker wrote:
Grayson Morris wrote:It's okay with me if all (forum) November entries become finalists, as long as not all finalists are November entries. I submitted on December 19. :-)

Sounds like some kind of logic puzzle... (even setting aside the fact that that would probably leave us with far too many finalists!)

If all November entries become finalists, it will mean there were at most eight November entries. Hiiiiiiighly unlikely, but possible.

Also, taking (1) the Duotrope results and (2) the statement that entries submitted earlier are received by KD earlier as axioms, we can prove the theorem "entries are not responded to ** in the order in which they are received":
There exists an entry A sent in earlier than at least one other entry B, such that A received a response later than B received a response; therefore, entries are not responded to in the order in which they are received.

(** Note we cannot conclude from this information alone that entries are not read in the order in which they are received. Note also that the above conclusion is valid based assumption of the validity of our axioms.)


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Grayson Morris wrote:Hey, just be glad I didn't write it using mathematical notation. wotf022

Please do! wotf022

Formal logic sounds like just the cure for Duotropery.
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Re: Q1 Volume 29

Postby E.CaimanSands » Wed Feb 29, 2012 11:34 am

Personally, I think all these rejections are people who saw the blog post for Q4 and think they've been rejected, not realising their story actually went into Q1. It's quite easy to get confused between quarters unless you pay close attention. Not everyone is like us sad people who spend hours each week haunting the WotF forums and practicing Duotropery!

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Re: Q1 Volume 29

Postby george nik. » Wed Feb 29, 2012 12:22 pm

E.CaimanSands wrote:Personally, I think all these rejections are people who saw the blog post for Q4 and think they've been rejected, not realising their story actually went into Q1. It's quite easy to get confused between quarters unless you pay close attention. Not everyone is like us sad people who spend hours each week haunting the WotF forums and practicing Duotropery!

wotf019

All of them? wotf003
Well, it's not really impossible. There are a lot of people submitting and few of us poor forumoholics. wotf014
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Re: Q1 Volume 29

Postby madison » Wed Feb 29, 2012 12:57 pm

george nik. wrote:
CaptMickeyd wrote:Still, no Novembers. Maybe all November entries will turn finalists. wotf015


I'm cool with that - Mine is a Nov. entry, too :)

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Re: Q1 Volume 29

Postby Grayson Morris » Wed Feb 29, 2012 11:33 pm

Four more results reported on Duotrope. At least one of them is a November rejection, handily disproving that conjecture. :-) (Sorry, November submitters!)
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Re: Q1 Volume 29

Postby george nik. » Thu Mar 01, 2012 1:35 am

Grayson Morris wrote:Four more results reported on Duotrope. At least one of them is a November rejection, handily disproving that conjecture. :-) (Sorry, November submitters!)

The flood has begun. Do we still doubt or shall we acknowledge the truth? wotf018
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Re: Q1 Volume 29

Postby Patrick S. McGinnity » Thu Mar 01, 2012 4:45 am

I'm in. I'll buy that those first four on the day the announced the results for the previous quarter might have just been trigger happy or downright confused, but this looks like real action. Good luck everyone!
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Re: Q1 Volume 29

Postby E.CaimanSands » Thu Mar 01, 2012 4:51 am

george nik. wrote:
E.CaimanSands wrote:Personally, I think all these rejections are people who saw the blog post for Q4 and think they've been rejected, not realising their story actually went into Q1. It's quite easy to get confused between quarters unless you pay close attention. Not everyone is like us sad people who spend hours each week haunting the WotF forums and practicing Duotropery!

wotf019

All of them? wotf003
Well, it's not really impossible. There are a lot of people submitting and few of us poor forumoholics. wotf014
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2. 76-day rejection from Writers of the Future Contest on February 29.
3. 109-day form rejection from Writers of the Future Contest on February 29.
4. 120-day form rejection from Writers of the Future Contest on February 29.

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Re: Q1 Volume 29

Postby Patrick S. McGinnity » Thu Mar 01, 2012 4:59 am

Don't be so hard on yourself. You merely refrained from jumping to a conclusion until sufficient evidence had accumulated. As a someone who deals daily with the young folks who are purportedly our future leaders (and janitors, golf course managers, and pyramid scheme perpetrators, for that matter), I wish more of them could do the same. I was skeptical until this morning, too, though my skepticism was eroding a bit over the past few days.
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Re: Q1 Volume 29

Postby Grayson Morris » Thu Mar 01, 2012 5:27 am

Patrick S. McGinnity wrote:Don't be so hard on yourself. You merely refrained from jumping to a conclusion until sufficient evidence had accumulated.

To be a completely niggly pain-in-the-wazoo: actually, our resident alligator did jump to a conclusion: the conclusion that the first set of results were not accurate reports of Q1 responses. Which may still be true. So she shouldn't be so hard on herself because the newly reported results don't invalidate her previous conclusion.

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Re: Q1 Volume 29

Postby george nik. » Thu Mar 01, 2012 5:38 am

A tenth one just now.
I can't believe I'm actually counting rejections on Duotrope wotf005

Anyway, I hope that if any of us forum people gets a mail, for good or for ill, they will share the knowledge.

There are 340 people registered in the forum, only about 50 are actually active users, and given that a few are past winners or haven't submitted in Q1 for whatever reason, I guess that leaves about 40 of us - which makes us a very small minority of the submitters.
So, there's still hope for all of us. wotf006
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Re: Q1 Volume 29

Postby Strycher » Thu Mar 01, 2012 5:42 am

george nik. wrote:A tenth one just now.
I can't believe I'm actually counting rejections on Duotrope wotf005


We're a bad influence on you.

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Re: Q1 Volume 29

Postby CaptMickeyd » Thu Mar 01, 2012 5:47 am

It is confirmed. Just got my rejection, and I am an early November entry. Oh well, this story is going to the next publisher. If anyone would volunteer, I'd love to send you some of it just to see if you know a good publication to send it out to. It's about a space-age spy.

Dear Entrant,

We are working on ways to make the contest results faster and
have worked out that as stories are judged, you are notified
of results as soon as possible.

Your story has now been judged and did not win or place in
the 1st quarter. Even though you have never had to wait for
results in order to submit for the next quarter, this hopefully
gives you incentive to submit for Quarter 2, which is happening
now, the deadline being 31 March. The more often you enter,
the better chance you have of winning, and improving your skills.

I do urge you to join our forum if you have not already, or subscribe
to our judge, David Farland's newsletter. Lots of great tips at both
locations to help you.

I do hope you are already working on that next story and do let me
know that you did get this e-mail.

Best regards,

Joni Labaqui


Guess it's time to update that signature. And finish up my Q2 entry. wotf061
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Re: Q1 Volume 29

Postby Patrick S. McGinnity » Thu Mar 01, 2012 6:12 am

To be a completely niggly pain-in-the-wazoo: actually, our resident alligator did jump to a conclusion: the conclusion that the first set of results were not accurate reports of Q1 responses.


Yes, quite true. Thanks for keeping me honest!

Anyway, I hope that if any of us forum people gets a mail, for good or for ill, they will share the knowledge.


Last time around, I got my rejection on the same day I joined the forum. It was humbling, to say the least, but the ultra-supportive crowd here makes it quite bearable. Your math on forum membership is interesting, especially in light of the fact that so many folks from the forum appear in the semi and above crowd each quarter--we're in great company!

Guess it's time to update that signature. And finish up my Q2 entry. wotf061


Sorry to hear it, Cap'n. We're tied with two R's apiece now, not that collecting rejections is such a fun competition to be in (I'm sure I'll be one up on you in a week or two, though. The only thing I hate more than rejection is losing a rejection contest!).

There is though, for me at least, a certain excitement in knowing a story is freed up to be submitted elsewhere, in some cases to markets that respond more quickly and might even be more appropriate for a given story. Best of luck with it and your Q2!
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Re: Q1 Volume 29

Postby madison » Thu Mar 01, 2012 6:43 am

The rejections are really rolling in now on Duotrope. Every email I get will be a dread-filled occasion now until I know one way or the other how mine fared (and I get a lot of blog associated email so I may just roll over dead from dread, hahaha).

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Re: Q1 Volume 29

Postby CaptMickeyd » Thu Mar 01, 2012 6:49 am

We're tied with two R's apiece now,


Actually, this is my first entry. So I'm zero for one. I'm really just glad that I got the rejection now instead of at the end of this quarter.
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Re: Q1 Volume 29

Postby steffenwolf » Thu Mar 01, 2012 7:07 am

Is there any chance that there can be new threads made for obsessive Duotropery, "how to not obsess" (or alternatively, "how to obsess") and the other wandering topics? It's wearying to skim through dozens of posts to find out that there have been no results that we are sure are actually results. Since this tends to be the first place that actual news are posted, I'd like to be able to check JUST that without all the rest.

Am I the only one? Maybe I should start a new thread that is for concrete results only, "POST ACTUAL RESPONSES HERE NO REPLIES NO CONGRATULATIONS NO OBSESSING". I don't know if it would work, but maybe it's worth a try.
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Re: Q1 Volume 29

Postby steffenwolf » Thu Mar 01, 2012 7:17 am

steffenwolf wrote:Is there any chance that there can be new threads made for obsessive Duotropery, "how to not obsess" (or alternatively, "how to obsess") and the other wandering topics? It's wearying to skim through dozens of posts to find out that there have been no results that we are sure are actually results. Since this tends to be the first place that actual news are posted, I'd like to be able to check JUST that without all the rest.

Am I the only one? Maybe I should start a new thread that is for concrete results only, "POST ACTUAL RESPONSES HERE NO REPLIES NO CONGRATULATIONS NO OBSESSING". I don't know if it would work, but maybe it's worth a try.


Okay, I made a new thread "QUARTERLY RESULTS ONLY, NO OTHER CONTENT". I'm hoping that others see the value in having a one-stop shop with results only, and will participate.

So if this works out, then I promise I will stop complaining about digressions in these other threads.
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Re: Q1 Volume 29

Postby Grayson Morris » Thu Mar 01, 2012 7:23 am

Great idea, David. I hope folks will use it (and use it as intended).
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Re: Q1 Volume 29

Postby george nik. » Thu Mar 01, 2012 7:23 am

Strycher wrote:
george nik. wrote:A tenth one just now.
I can't believe I'm actually counting rejections on Duotrope wotf005


We're a bad influence on you.

Thirteen now, and counting.

CaptMickeyd wrote:It is confirmed. Just got my rejection, and I am an early November entry.

And one of us got hit just now. wotf014 Things are getting really rough over here. wotf039

steffenwolf wrote:Is there any chance that there can be new threads made for obsessive Duotropery, "how to not obsess" (or alternatively, "how to obsess") and the other wandering topics?

Well...I really think that sharing all that was the actual purpose of this thread.

steffenwolf wrote:Okay, I made a new thread "QUARTERLY RESULTS ONLY, NO OTHER CONTENT". I'm hoping that others see the value in having a one-stop shop with results only, and will participate.

So if this works out, then I promise I will stop complaining about digressions in these other threads.

That was a great idea, as well. We definitely needed such a thread.
So this one is left to us Duotrope addicts to obsess, congratulate, commiserate, etc.
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Re: Q1 Volume 29

Postby steffenwolf » Thu Mar 01, 2012 7:51 am

george nik. wrote:
steffenwolf wrote:Is there any chance that there can be new threads made for obsessive Duotropery, "how to not obsess" (or alternatively, "how to obsess") and the other wandering topics?

Well...I really think that sharing all that was the actual purpose of this thread.


For everyone but me it apparently was. I think we'll all be happier now.
Now I can stop being an annoying crabbypants, and y'all can talk about whatever you want to. wotf007

george nik. wrote:
steffenwolf wrote:Okay, I made a new thread "QUARTERLY RESULTS ONLY, NO OTHER CONTENT". I'm hoping that others see the value in having a one-stop shop with results only, and will participate.

So if this works out, then I promise I will stop complaining about digressions in these other threads.

That was a great idea, as well. We definitely needed such a thread.
So this one is left to us Duotrope addicts to obsess, congratulate, commiserate, etc.


Yup! Don't get me wrong, I do some Duotropery myself, although it's easier not to obsess about any particular submission with dozens of stories circling the drain at a time.

And for anyone who is confused and is looking for the thread I referenced, moderator Brad (who is my hero) has implemented a better solution than what I had in mind and made a new subforum. So I changed the name of that other thread to "discussion of dedicated quarterly results thread(s)" since that thread now need not be dedicated only to results.

On with your regularly scheduled programming.... :)
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Re: Jibber Jabber - Q1 - 29

Postby madison » Thu Mar 01, 2012 7:53 am

I like having a thread where we can go to see results right off without a lot of skimming. Thanks Steffenwolf. I also like having THIS thread, where we can lament and comisserate together ;)

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Re: Jibber Jabber - Q1 - 29

Postby Patrick S. McGinnity » Thu Mar 01, 2012 7:58 am

I just noticed (way behind the curve, as usual) that Duotrope also tells how many users have WOTF entries with pending responses. If we use the ballpark figure of 1000 entries a quarter I've seen thrown about, that means about 10% are on Duotrope, while 5% are on the forum, according to George's rough estimate. I wonder how many of the forum 5% are also in Duotrope? Just interesting, that's all.
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Re: Jibber Jabber - Q1 - 29

Postby steffenwolf » Thu Mar 01, 2012 7:58 am

madison wrote:I like having a thread where we can go to see results right off without a lot of skimming. Thanks Steffenwolf. I also like having THIS thread, where we can lament and comisserate together ;)


I like having a thread for commiserations too, and I'll still stop by here from time to time. I think this will work out well. :)
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Re: Jibber Jabber - Q1 - 29

Postby Kary English » Thu Mar 01, 2012 8:00 am

Awesome on the results subforum! Thanks, Brad, and thanks to steffen for playing the role of the gadfly.

I, too, like this thread for its social approach. Q1V29 Socializing / Kaffeeklatsch / Lounge, whatever. See, results are cool, but so are friends, and these threads are where I've come to see the folks here as my friends. wotf006
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Re: Jibber Jabber - Q1 - 29

Postby Kary English » Thu Mar 01, 2012 8:02 am

As for obsessing...

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Re: Q1 Volume 29

Postby E.CaimanSands » Thu Mar 01, 2012 8:19 am

Patrick S. McGinnity wrote:Don't be so hard on yourself.


Commiserations, Cap'n.
And with that I'm officially wrong, the results are coming in. But don't fret, my skin is tough and scaly, on the top at least. Of course my soft underbelly might be accounting for my sudden inbox phobia. wotf005

Good idea David re. the new threads. wotf010
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Re: Jibber Jabber - Q1 - 29

Postby Kary English » Thu Mar 01, 2012 8:28 am

Would anyone like to comment on the usual time elapsed from the start of the flood until we get to the HMs, semis and finalists?
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