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Postby gower21 » Tue Sep 13, 2011 7:00 pm

This might be jumping the gun a bit, but seeing how a lot of forum members have already turned in their Q4 stories and are working on Q1, I thought I'd start this thread.

For Q1 I'm writing a Fantasy. My last three entries have been more science fiction. I love science fiction, love to read it, but I think I'm not qualified to write it. I just can't get very science-y in my descriptions. I love fantasy too and I think I'll give it a shot. Plus the story is already outlined and some basic first scene attempts have been written.

What does everyone else write? Do you stick to one sub-genre or do you mix it up?

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Re: Q1 Volume 29

Postby Juliana » Tue Sep 13, 2011 7:03 pm

Ooooh you're quick! wotf009

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Postby Martin L. Shoemaker » Tue Sep 13, 2011 7:27 pm

I've got a piece that I really think belongs at Analog. But if Mr. Schmidt disagrees, it might be good for Q1. I'll have to wait a while to decide, however, as he's still sitting on another piece.

I've got two other pieces out at other markets. Either of them would fit the contest, but neither is as strong as that one.

Heck, in my wildest dreams, all three of them will sell, and then I'll have to come up with something new just for the contest!

My current work in progress is a piece I never expected to write. It's completely outside my usual genre tastes; but for all that, I'm rather pleased with it, and think it will end up one of my stronger stories. But it also happens to fall smack dab into one of the cliches that KD mentioned a couple quarters back; and the speculative element really doesn't appear for the first 2,700 words. Up until that point, it might be a mundane story where some of the characters simply believe in the supernatural. So as much as I'm enjoying writing it, I don't think it's right for the contest.
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Re: Q1 Volume 29

Postby Rebecca Birch » Tue Sep 13, 2011 7:45 pm

I'm still putting the finishing touches on Q4, but I've got a plot I'm working my way through for Q1. It's sci-fi, which is *not* normal for me, and while I love the idea, I'm struggling with how on earth to get it onto paper. If I do manage it, I'll be pretty darned pleased with myself. Otherwise, I have a few other stories in circulation that could probably work as submissions.

Lots of time to wrap my head around the sci-fi one, though, so bring it on! wotf010
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Re: Q1 Volume 29

Postby wellsdesigned » Tue Sep 13, 2011 7:55 pm

Well, since this topic will be at the top of the list for the next six months, why not be on the first page? I have my story for this one in my head, but then who knows. The story I started writing for Q4 was never finished because the story I am submitting to Q4 came about and I liked it better for the contest. Not to say the original Q4 story was completely off track, it will be published in a fledgling non-paying anthology on Smashwords
(http://jakesmonthly.wordpress.com/accepted-stories-2/). With a little luck I might see some positive feedback there.

But, since we can't talk about our story substance for obvious reasons, I can say that my Q1 entry will be somewhere between 1,000 and 17,000 words, wotf017 wotf001, and that it will not have vampires, zombies or cowboys fighting indians.

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Postby WriteToLive » Tue Sep 13, 2011 8:54 pm

I have one right now that would be golden for WotF Q-1 2012. But, it's out at publshers right now. So, if it sells, I need to work out something else.
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Postby E.CaimanSands » Wed Sep 14, 2011 4:36 am

I'm half way through my first draft for Q1. Or at least, I'm half way through my first draft of my next story...
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Re: Q1 Volume 29

Postby soulmirror » Wed Sep 14, 2011 5:50 am

"Sheesh ... Quarter 1, Volume 29 ... already ?!?!" wotf011

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Postby katsincommand » Wed Sep 14, 2011 6:02 am

I'm working on mine, too. It's an early revision though, so I still need some time to put it through my critique group. I'm doing the reverse - usually I submit fantasy. This time, I'm trying SF. :)
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Re: Q1 Volume 29

Postby kyle » Wed Sep 14, 2011 6:14 am

I am so not ready to be thinking about Q1...

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Postby s_c_baker » Wed Sep 14, 2011 8:06 am

Martin L. Shoemaker wrote:...the speculative element really doesn't appear for the first 2,700 words. Up until that point, it might be a mundane story where some of the characters simply believe in the supernatural.


My SF entry wasn't speculative at all for about the first 7,000. To resolve this, I just inserted a brief (~100 words) out-of-sequence speculative scene at the very beginning before delving into all that background. wotf007

eta: I have a 3-week-old and an 18-month-old and a full time job and a masters thesis to write so right now I'm thinking about, oh... Q4 V30. wotf001
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Postby Martin L. Shoemaker » Wed Sep 14, 2011 8:39 am

s_c_baker wrote:
Martin L. Shoemaker wrote:...the speculative element really doesn't appear for the first 2,700 words. Up until that point, it might be a mundane story where some of the characters simply believe in the supernatural.


My SF entry wasn't speculative at all for about the first 7,000. To resolve this, I just inserted a brief (~100 words) out-of-sequence speculative scene at the very beginning before delving into all that background. wotf007


I tried that, but it's difficult. The first person narrator is a confirmed skeptic. So even though the story opens with what the believers would call clear evidence of evil forces at work, he sees it as mere superstition -- albeit dark, harmful suspicion.

But maybe... Hmmm... Maybe a quick flashback to when he was younger and less skeptical...

Thanks, Stewart, you've given me something to think about!

eta: I have a 3-week-old and an 18-month-old and a full time job and a masters thesis to write so right now I'm thinking about, oh... Q4 V30. wotf001


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Postby kyle » Wed Sep 14, 2011 8:53 am

Nick Mamatas' advice for dealing with first-person narrators is to think about how a person would tell the story if they picked up the phone and called their best friend. It wouldn't be, "How're you doing? ... Well, I got up this morning and went out for coffee, and then I met Tim and Angie, and then the three of us went down into the cellar under the old bookstore, and then we got attacked by a dragon." It would be, "OMFG!!!!! I just got attacked by a #&*$^#@@ dragon!" So, by putting the narrator's timeline close to the end of the story, starting at the end and then working back to the beginning to fill in the story can actually be quite organic.

Said with no idea about your particular story, of course.

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Postby Martin L. Shoemaker » Wed Sep 14, 2011 9:05 am

kyle wrote:Nick Mamatas' advice for dealing with first-person narrators is to think about how a person would tell the story if they picked up the phone and called their best friend. It wouldn't be, "How're you doing? ... Well, I got up this morning and went out for coffee, and then I met Tim and Angie, and then the three of us went down into the cellar under the old bookstore, and then we got attacked by a dragon." It would be, "OMFG!!!!! I just got attacked by a #&*$^#@@ dragon!" So, by putting the narrator's timeline close to the end of the story, starting at the end and then working back to the beginning to fill in the story can actually be quite organic.

Said with no idea about your particular story, of course.


Without revealing too much, I can use your analogy. My story amounts to, "Hey, Tim said he just saw a dragon." Then flashbacks to when they were kids, and they believed in dragons and hunted them. Then the amazing incident when they actually met one. Then skim forward past the years when he grew old and skeptical and stopped believing in dragons. But Tim still believes, and has gone on a dragon quest, and the narrator feels obligated to go rescue him from his own foolishness. Only along the way, he discovers they were right all along when they were kids: dragons are real, and one has Tim, and the narrator has to rescue his friend.

(Hmmm... Maybe I just plotted my next story!)

So if the narrator actually sees the dragon in the opening scene, his skepticism in the present is pretty foolish. The whole point of the story is his gradual shedding of the skepticism. But maybe if he remembers seeing a dragon in his youth -- even if he doubts his memory today -- maybe that's enough of a speculative element to serve as a hook.
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Postby kyle » Wed Sep 14, 2011 9:16 am

Martin L. Shoemaker wrote:(Hmmm... Maybe I just plotted my next story!)

And if you make your narrator Angie, you'll also get points for inverting a trope. wotf001

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Postby katsincommand » Wed Sep 14, 2011 9:22 am

s_c_baker wrote:
Martin L. Shoemaker wrote:...the speculative element really doesn't appear for the first 2,700 words. Up until that point, it might be a mundane story where some of the characters simply believe in the supernatural.


My SF entry wasn't speculative at all for about the first 7,000. To resolve this, I just inserted a brief (~100 words) out-of-sequence speculative scene at the very beginning before delving into all that background. wotf007

eta: I have a 3-week-old and an 18-month-old and a full time job and a masters thesis to write so right now I'm thinking about, oh... Q4 V30. wotf001


Holy Cow you're busy. I didn't write the first 6 months of either of my kids' first year.. it was too crazy. And you've got the masters going on too? Breathe breathe... there are many quarters to come.
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Postby Martin L. Shoemaker » Wed Sep 14, 2011 9:35 am

kyle wrote:
Martin L. Shoemaker wrote:(Hmmm... Maybe I just plotted my next story!)

And if you make your narrator Angie, you'll also get points for inverting a trope. wotf001


Whoa! I just saw her face. When I can see a character that clearly, the character usually demands to be written.

This just moved from a joke to the Idea Stack. Thanks!
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Postby E.CaimanSands » Wed Sep 14, 2011 9:57 am

Martin L. Shoemaker wrote: ... Then skim forward past the years when he grew old and skeptical and stopped believing in dragons.


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Postby kyle » Wed Sep 14, 2011 10:49 am

Martin L. Shoemaker wrote:This just moved from a joke to the Idea Stack. Thanks!

My pleasure! Just make it a good one. wotf007

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Postby s_c_baker » Wed Sep 14, 2011 6:16 pm

katsincommand wrote:
s_c_baker wrote:
Martin L. Shoemaker wrote:...the speculative element really doesn't appear for the first 2,700 words. Up until that point, it might be a mundane story where some of the characters simply believe in the supernatural.


My SF entry wasn't speculative at all for about the first 7,000. To resolve this, I just inserted a brief (~100 words) out-of-sequence speculative scene at the very beginning before delving into all that background. wotf007

eta: I have a 3-week-old and an 18-month-old and a full time job and a masters thesis to write so right now I'm thinking about, oh... Q4 V30. wotf001


Holy Cow you're busy. I didn't write the first 6 months of either of my kids' first year.. it was too crazy. And you've got the masters going on too? Breathe breathe... there are many quarters to come.


I'm thinking that 6 month timeline is about right. From what I recall with number 1, it was about a six month gap.
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Postby gower21 » Wed Sep 14, 2011 7:33 pm

Wow, not quite 24 hours into the topic and there's already one story written and outlined in secret code.

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Postby izanobu » Thu Sep 15, 2011 4:18 am

Wha??? Q1? I haven't even started my Q4 story. Geez...

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Postby MaryJ » Thu Sep 15, 2011 4:35 am

gower21 wrote:

What does everyone else write? Do you stick to one sub-genre or do you mix it up?


I go back and forth from Fantasy (everything from traditional ghost stories to sword and sorcery) to SF (but I am so light on the science they may be considered futuristic fantasies.) I also attempt horror, but I really have to be in a certain mood to start a horror story.
My first story for this contest was science fiction and it was a semi-finalist. My second attempt was fantasy. It was a HM, and my third attempt (last quarter) was science fiction. It was a rejection (I am pretty sure) and for Q4 back to fantasy again. So, I am writing a science fiction for Q1 to keep my pattern wotf008
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Postby mattj » Thu Sep 15, 2011 6:30 am

Oddly enough, I started out wanting to be a horror writer. As it turns out, I don't like reading horror. And I don't like writing horror.

So I turned to fantasy. Sort of like horror, in a way. DARK FANTASY! But that didn't take, either. Even not so dark fantasy, with magic and all that. I can't get it out of my mind that traditional fantasy folks are have smelly, unwashed greasy hair and itch from all the mites and fleas. Plus, you can't have people talking contemporary.

"Hey, did you see that dragon?"

"Did I? Barely made it out alive. Watch the fire. Man, its like it never ends."

No, you have to say:

"By the gods, did you witness that wretched dragon?"

"Aye. Barely made it out alive, I did. Watch yourself, for when the fire starts . . . it never ends . . ."

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Postby steffenwolf » Mon Sep 26, 2011 5:20 pm

I've been trying to put something together, but haven't quite figured it out. I actually have 2 prior stories that I had thought about submitting but:
Story 1: Might be too derivative (though I really like it)
Story: Might not have strong enough characters (though I really like it)

I've been working for a couple months tryign to figure out Story 3, an epic fantasy type story. I keep feeling like I almost have it, then realizing a major flaw, overhauling it, and reaching the same realization

Gave up on that, on to trying Story 4, a comedy fantasy, we'll see where that one goes.


I think I'm just worrying too much. I know I only have a few more quarters before I DQ, and I want to make the most of them1!!!!!
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Postby AMcCarter » Mon Sep 26, 2011 7:31 pm

Ugh, this thread reminds me of a nightmare I had last night. I was watching myself in third person from inside my own mind and all the stories I was writing were blatant rip offs of popular stories. Plagiarism doesn't even begin to cover it. And I remember the me that was watching the dream was horrified, but the me in the dream was perfectly content with stealing another writer's work. I would say I need a vacation, but I AM on vacation. wotf027
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Postby Martin L. Shoemaker » Mon Sep 26, 2011 7:39 pm

AMcCarter wrote:Ugh, this thread reminds me of a nightmare I had last night. I was watching myself in third person from inside my own mind and all the stories I was writing were blatant rip offs of popular stories. Plagiarism doesn't even begin to cover it. And I remember the me that was watching the dream was horrified, but the me in the dream was perfectly content with stealing another writer's work. I would say I need a vacation, but I AM on vacation. wotf027


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Postby AMcCarter » Mon Sep 26, 2011 7:47 pm

Martin L. Shoemaker wrote:
AMcCarter wrote:Ugh, this thread reminds me of a nightmare I had last night. I was watching myself in third person from inside my own mind and all the stories I was writing were blatant rip offs of popular stories. Plagiarism doesn't even begin to cover it. And I remember the me that was watching the dream was horrified, but the me in the dream was perfectly content with stealing another writer's work. I would say I need a vacation, but I AM on vacation. wotf027


Write that up! It worked for Stephen King (two or three times, at least).


Wouldn't that be like ripping off Secret Window? And then, wouldn't I be compounding my nightmare? Not to mention that now it's posted here, I can't use it for the contest. Besides, I think subjecting people to my psyche is probably illegal in at least a half a dozen states.
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Postby Martin L. Shoemaker » Tue Sep 27, 2011 3:12 am

AMcCarter wrote:Wouldn't that be like ripping off Secret Window?


Secret Window, Secret Garden, The Dark Half, Umney's Last Case... My mom tells me there's at least one more story where King plays with this concept, though I don't know the name.
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Re: Q1 Volume 29

Postby Ember » Fri Oct 14, 2011 4:26 am

I have a Q1 entry! Well, almost; it is written, now awaiting an in-depth read-over by my husband (who so far has skimmed it while at work). A brief edit and it will be off. Admittedly it is a bit of a cheat because it is a major over-haul of a story I wrote many many years ago. Also, my stories are always short, so they don't take as much time!!

I am reasonably stunned by this because I have always been procrastination-girl, last-minute-girl, I-wonder-if-they-will-take-marks-off-me-if-I-hand-this-in-just-a-weensy-bit-late-girl. I have NEVER been early, with pretty much anything.

Parenthood is some pretty powerfully spooky stuff and is definitely to blame. I'm not sure I recognise this girl who would submit an entry MONTHS EARLY. Don't know much about her - I hope she writes good stuff.
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