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Postby austinDm » Wed Jan 16, 2013 4:14 pm

Jackie B. wrote:So I repeat...welcome!! We may all be crazy here but we never bite. Except the Gator. Watch out for her wotf001


s_c_baker wrote:This is exactly why I've quit writing. Now I just smash my head against a blank piece of paper (or occasionally a typewriter, if I'm feeling adventurous) until the blood and grey matter coalesces on it in brilliant, lucid clarity. ... Or maybe it just looks like that due to the brain damage... wotf007


Some of us are more crazy than others wotf001 (just kidding, Stewart). Though writing by osmosis sounds far more efficient than my present methods. I might just have to give that a shot some time! wotf011

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Postby LDWriter2 » Wed Jan 16, 2013 7:58 pm

Planetary wrote:Hey gang. Like everyone else, I'm interested in the contest and plan to enter. I'm a big fan of space opera, and my favorite authors in SF are Iain M. Banks, Alastair Reynolds and Larry Niven. I also enjoy historical fiction, stuff by writers like Steven Pressfield and Steven Saylor, and I've read most of the fantasy standards, from LotR to ASOIAF and WoT.

I have a question, and I didn't think it was worth its own thread since it's probably not very common. I'm pretty sure I'm in the clear, but just to be certain -- does professional journalism disqualify me in any way from participating?

As a journalist, I am a professional writer. That's how I pay the bills. As a creative writer and fiction author, I'm a complete noob and have never been published. I just want to make sure there's no chance of getting disqualified after the fact.

Thanks



Oops, missed one.


SO, Late Welcome to ye.

Anything I would say you know already so I won't.

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Postby LDWriter2 » Wed Jan 16, 2013 8:02 pm

jkenton wrote:I'm J. Kenton. Self-propelled anachronism, geek of exceptional geekness, and now, it seems, "a writer." I suppose an "amateur" because while I have now actually written and submitted (which is why I say "amateur" and not "aspiring", since "aspiring" means "hopes to write" if you want to be technical.) So I await my first rejection, and hope that it's a rejection that comes with a little feedback.

(About a week after I fired off my submission I realized how clumsy some of the backstory was in terms of narrative flow, and figured out a positively brilliant way I could have trimmed this or that paragraph to that or this clever, single sentence. (This is a keyboard. Apply directly to the forehead.)

Anyway, hello all, greetings and suchlike. I look forward to sharing the angstipation of waiting for results, and waving my arms and making encouraging noises as needed.



Another I missed,

Greetings Oh, Geekness. Be thou and thy geekiness welcome.

We all enjoy our "angstipation" here.

But the arm waving could be for good or for evil depending if we by venting or rejoicing.


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PS We be writers here, we all make up our own words also.
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Postby LDWriter2 » Wed Jan 16, 2013 8:08 pm

capt367272 wrote:Hi. My name is Jim Miner, I am a 58 year old professional fire chief from buffalo ny. Finally got the time to do the writing I always wanted to do. Have submitted last three quarters. Received first rejection today. I have to say I am a bit surprised. I have read a bit of sci fi and I thought mine was very good. Anyways, good to participate in forum. Jim




Wow, another one and a top Emergency worker-First responder too.


So be thou welcome.


As to thinking yours was very good. Most of us have thought that at the beginning. Actually, yours could be for there are many reasons for an editor to reject a piece, as you've probably been told by now. Most of us are learning here, some learn faster than others, some do better at the beginning than others but in either case the vast majority of the writer here are improving, and I believe all are friendly. So you come to a good place
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Postby morshana » Wed Jan 16, 2013 9:51 pm

I'm behind on the welcomes. Where did that mat go? Oh, dear. Is Stewart using it to wipe his brain again? Give it back, Stewart. Give it back I say! That's better. Now, where was I? Oh, yes...

Welcome!

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Postby dantzel » Wed Jan 16, 2013 10:16 pm

Welcome Jim! I hope you've already sent your story on to the next market - Daily Science Fiction is worth a try, as well as Flash Fiction Online, and many many others. Don't assume your story is bad just because the first market said no - keep submitting!

As a data point, I made my first professional sale last Thursday. I've had over 50 rejections in the last year for all my stories combined, and this story in particular didn't make the cut for Unidentified Funny Objects, Shimmer, or Shock Totem. It doesn't mean that Penumbra didn't love it though! So keep sending it out.
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Postby capt367272 » Thu Jan 17, 2013 11:36 am

Thanks to danzel and LDWriter for warm greetings.I have no intention to give up. It is nice to get positive comments from this column. I will try those venues for the next submissions. I am also working on a book of short stories about my firefighting experiences. Some are fiction based on fact, some are accurate recountings. Jim

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Postby ClueLess » Sun Jan 20, 2013 4:39 am

Hello All

Just jumping in to say hello to one and all.

I hope to get around to meeting everyone once I've worked out where am.

Cheers to all.

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Postby s_c_baker » Sun Jan 20, 2013 7:59 am

ClueLess wrote:Hello All

Just jumping in to say hello to one and all.

I hope to get around to meeting everyone once I've worked out where am.

Cheers to all.

wotf026

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Postby bobsandiego » Tue Jan 22, 2013 6:56 am

ClueLess wrote:Hello All

Just jumping in to say hello to one and all.

I hope to get around to meeting everyone once I've worked out where am.

Cheers to all.

Welcome Clueless, I love your movie!
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Postby LDWriter2 » Tue Jan 22, 2013 8:37 pm

ClueLess wrote:Hello All

Just jumping in to say hello to one and all.

I hope to get around to meeting everyone once I've worked out where am.

Cheers to all.



I almost typed this out last night, not sure why I didn't.

But in any case Be Welcome here.

Some interesting discussions get started here.
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Postby ztys89 » Wed Jan 23, 2013 9:52 am

Hi, :-)
My name's Zach, just wanted to say hey, and meet some fellow writers.

I grew up reading soooo much Stephen King, and just recently bought an H.P Lovecraft anthology, to renew my horror writing. Horror is my main thing, I love Stephen King's forewords before most of his books, it feels like sitting down to a conversation with the author before delving into a world he created with you (readers) in mind...very cool.

I've sent a couple of my pieces into magazines like Cemetery Dance, and a couple other places such as Spinetinglers, etc. No luck yet, but I'm motivated. Can't wait to hear what people think of "Susana Wells" which I'll post right after I'm done typing here. Always looking for good new reading material, very happy to be here. :-)

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Postby morshana » Wed Jan 23, 2013 10:17 am

Welcome Jim, Clueless, and Zach!
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Postby s_c_baker » Wed Jan 23, 2013 12:09 pm

Hi Zach, welcome!

Do you mean you're planning on posting a story? If you want to publish it somewhere, you might want to reconsider, as this is a public forum so most publishers will count it as "published."

uh-oh! Going to send you a PM... :)
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Postby yoyo123 » Thu Jan 24, 2013 2:13 pm

Just hopping in to say hello. I haven't written anything in a looong time, so hopefully hanging out around here will keep me honest! I sat down this week and came up with about 30 random story ideas, so this weekend I'll give one of 'em a whirl. It'll probably STINK, but that's ok. I have the air freshener ready. =)

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Postby s_c_baker » Thu Jan 24, 2013 3:29 pm

yoyo123 wrote:Just hopping in to say hello. I haven't written anything in a looong time, so hopefully hanging out around here will keep me honest! I sat down this week and came up with about 30 random story ideas, so this weekend I'll give one of 'em a whirl. It'll probably STINK, but that's ok. I have the air freshener ready. =)

*waves*

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Postby yoyo123 » Sat Jan 26, 2013 1:13 pm

Too true!

I had trouble getting my story started this morning, so I finally gave up and wrote the end first. Does anyone else do that, or am I just weird? I was going along pretty well until I realized I had written an entire paragraph using the exact same sentence structure...ugh! I think it's time for a break. And maybe a pumpkin spice latte. Yeah. Definitely a latte day!

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Postby s_c_baker » Sat Jan 26, 2013 5:24 pm

yoyo123 wrote:Too true!

I had trouble getting my story started this morning, so I finally gave up and wrote the end first. Does anyone else do that, or am I just weird? I was going along pretty well until I realized I had written an entire paragraph using the exact same sentence structure...ugh! I think it's time for a break. And maybe a pumpkin spice latte. Yeah. Definitely a latte day!


I usually write the opening scene (or part of it), then the closing scene (or part of it), and then fill in the middle in no particular order.

If I know where I started from and where I'm going, it's much easier for me to write.
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Postby geoedwar » Fri Feb 08, 2013 11:04 am

Hello all. I am brand new to this forum but have been reading it from afar (success stories mainly, everyone loves 'em). My name is George Edwards. I have written three short stories and two unfinished novels in the genres of science-fiction and dystopia(n). I have to one submission and one rejection. In order to assuage my rejection hangover I did a google search for terms like "rejection ratios," "submission to rejection ratios," and found this forum and consequently the Writers of the Future Contest.

One thing I find interesting about submission guidelines is the wariness of political content inserted into a story. Why? Because so many authors use the government as an antagonist. Libertarians take that as a vindication of their system though the authors themselves are decidedly un-libertarian in their actual political stances. Robert Heinlein was at times extreme left and others extreme right depending on the political orientation of his significant other but his writing, in some cases, was almost anarchist. J.K. Rowling excoriates the bureaucrats of government (aside from the Weasley father) but is herself a Labor Party type (or whatever party correlates to U.S. Democrats). I'm not complaining TOO much. Anyone who has read Glen Beck's "Overton Window" knows what it's like to sit through a long speech by a single character spanning many pages. Ayn Rand has a 60+ page speech by a character who takes over the airwaves (even the most ardent libertarians like Dr. Walter Block admit to skipping over that section). I read it, for the record, but if I ever read the book again I don't think I will. It took her over a year to write that speech so I respect it.

In any case, if you haven't guessed by now, I am libertarian/anarcho-capitalist. I often see dystopia in the future because, though I don't like the fact, the future of space seems to be in the hands of the military forces or government forces of any country with a space program. I've written most of a novel about billionaires who secretly organize a massive launch into space. It's idealistic thinking though. Billionaires are more likely to be lobbying for special privilege to maintain their status as billionaires- what public choice economist call "rent seeking behavior."

To imagine a consumer oriented future in space one has to imagine it without government. It's an unfortunate fact that public institution bid away great minds to do years of research that ends up classified and inaccessible to private producers. Producers in the United States are heavily restricted in taking part in global satellite production and launches because of how the government classifies munitions. Even worse is that authors such as Robert Heinlein wrote vociferously in support of such legislation as "Star Wars."

I guess my ultimate goal here is to learn how to write without bashing people over the head with ostentatious political views (I promise.... maybe... my intro post will be the only time I do it unsolicited). I want to be a part of where science fiction is going in order to shift opinions from space socialism (military in space) to free market space. Ah, Ben Bova! Though the guy writes with a main character who has to side-step bureaucrats and regulation... he is decidedly pro-NASA. I don't understand being pro-NASA in science fiction.... it's as if the world can be imagined without it but when it comes to reality everyone wants it funded (bidding brilliant minds from the market, classifying research, etc.).

Other facts about me: I'm 28, B.S. in Finance and Economics (BS or B.S., you decide), and I've only recently come to love the genre of Science Fiction as a whole. I read "Ender's Game" and "Ender's Shadow" in middle school, and "The First Duelist," but I mainly read fantasy (I could never get into Aurther C. Clark). Isaac Asimov.... a few years ago I attempted to read a Foundation book but found it way to detailed (I like stories, not world building). Recently I started reading his short stories and... wow... he was a master.
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Postby s_c_baker » Fri Feb 08, 2013 11:24 am

Hi George, welcome! :)

The trick with politics is to make it a part of your story, and not the entire reason you are writing the story in the first place.

Be Rowling, not Rand. (Please, god, don't be Rand! wotf001 )

In other words: Avoid speeches. Don't write polemics. Make your characters interesting, make us care about them FIRST and then when you put them in situations they have to get out of (which can be informed by whatever worldview you wish), we'll go along for the ride.

As for me, I was born in Europe and am a socialist at heart... but only because I have too cynical a view of people to believe that anarchism would actually work. wotf007 (You might call me a disillusioned hippy if it wasn't for the fact that I'm far too young.)

Incidentally, I find it really interesting that you associate "socialism" with "military," because those are either entirely unrelated or opposite so far as I'm concerned. But perhaps this is a discussion best not held on a public forum, or at least shunted from the "introduction" thread to the "kitchen sink" area of the boards.

Aaaanyway.

Fantasy's also a great place for unusual politics to work out. The contest's open to anything speculative, so don't feel like you have to restrain yourself to just Sci-fi! (Although, again, I'd recommend writing a story, and not a political diatribe thinly disguised as one.)

Looking forward to getting to know you and seeing your writing. wotf008
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Postby geoedwar » Fri Feb 08, 2013 11:34 am

Don't worry!! Rand is Rand, I'm not going to replicate her (nor Rowling for that matter). I'll limit my speeches to single, short, paragraphs (though, to be honest, I did have a "speech" in for first short story that was truncated due to the plot requiring it).

I define military as "socialism," (I know it's often ascribed to capitalism... I'm bucking that trend though I don't find it entirely useless, a lot of capitalists did drive warfare but ultimately it was a symptom of government mixing with production) because the definition of socialism is "the public ownership of the means of production." National Defense is a product and that product is "owned" democratically.

I use my economic and philosophical beliefs to inform my vision of the future but will make every attempt to make it inconspicuous. I
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Postby s_c_baker » Fri Feb 08, 2013 11:39 am

Hey, I'm more than willing to agree to disagree. wotf007

geoedwar wrote:I use my economic and philosophical beliefs to inform my vision of the future but will make every attempt to make it inconspicuous.

Everyone does this, I think--it's impossible not to. So long as you're descriptive and not prescriptive you'll probably be fine. wotf008
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Postby dantzel » Fri Feb 08, 2013 1:32 pm

Welcome George!

Isaac Asimov.... a few years ago I attempted to read a Foundation book but found it way to detailed (I like stories, not world building).


There's actually very little world building in the Foundation series. I find the first two Foundation books to be the story of a civilization (or the psychohistory, if you will wotf006), which is quite different from world building. If you read intending to get into one character it will never be satisfactory (not until later books when characterization of individuals shows up more), but as the story of how a civilization grows and develops according to psychohistory... it works very nicely, since, you know, the whole story is about psychohistory.
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Postby s_c_baker » Fri Feb 08, 2013 1:35 pm

dantzel wrote:Welcome George!

Isaac Asimov.... a few years ago I attempted to read a Foundation book but found it way to detailed (I like stories, not world building).


There's actually very little world building in the Foundation series. I find the first two Foundation books to be the story of a civilization (or the psychohistory, if you will wotf006), which is quite different from world building. If you read intending to get into one character it will never be satisfactory (not until later books when characterization of individuals shows up more), but as the story of how a civilization grows and develops according to psychohistory... it works very nicely, since, you know, the whole story is about psychohistory.

A classic "Idea" story writ large. wotf007 (And one of my early favourites in terms of series and authors. Blame my mother. wotf011 )

Also: MULE! Need I say more?!
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Postby geoedwar » Fri Feb 08, 2013 3:06 pm

Maybe I was just put off by how the book I was reading dragged (detailed cultural descriptions of the hairless people, etc... Lots of info pumping, maybe I don't understand what world building is). I'm certainly willing to give his longer work another chance because of how magnificent his short stories are. Psychohistory is an interesting concept I want to explore a little in a nonfiction setting.

Another related concept to explore is wealth in dystopia. Could a dystopia look like Suzanne Collins "Hunger Games" having a Capitol city with amazing technology or would it be more Orwellian where only the impression of progress exists? So many things you can explore when you're the dictator of your universe!! And when you're finished people can cite you as anectodal evidence for real world policy!! Lol, it happens.

I really look forward to associating with other writers who will more than likely become the next generation of literature in spec fiction. Just watched the 2012 award ceremony... Wow.
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Postby austinDm » Fri Feb 08, 2013 4:36 pm

Welcome George! I like how deeply you ponder these big sociopolitical issues. You're a next generation Grandmaster in the making.

I absolutely loved I, Robot (the book, not the movie (though the movie was decent in its own way)). Asimov takes a single technology and then explores everything that could possibly go wrong with it from a philosophical point of view. "Little Lost Robot" is my favorite. This is what happens when machines become smarter than we are, even while limited to following our orders.

Have you read LeGuin? Her Earthsea cycle is a great fantasy series, and her science fiction novels have the same sort of philosophical "thought experiment" foundation as Asimov's work. I advocate her short fiction as well. "The Ones Who Walk Away from Omelas" is both harrowing and thought-provoking.

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Postby geoedwar » Fri Feb 08, 2013 4:52 pm

austinDm wrote:Welcome George! I like how deeply you ponder these big sociopolitical issues. You're a next generation Grandmaster in the making.

I absolutely loved I, Robot (the book, not the movie (though the movie was decent in its own way)). Asimov takes a single technology and then explores everything that could possibly go wrong with it from a philosophical point of view. "Little Lost Robot" is my favorite. This is what happens when machines become smarter than we are, even while limited to following our orders.

Have you read LeGuin? Her Earthsea cycle is a great fantasy series, and her science fiction novels have the same sort of philosophical "thought experiment" foundation as Asimov's work. I advocate her short fiction as well. "The Ones Who Walk Away from Omelas" is both harrowing and thought-provoking.


I've read "Malafrena" by LeGuin and I absolutely loved it. I don't usually like literary stuff all too much but this book was brilliant. It was romantic like Victor Hugo's Les Miserables. Oddly, that's the only book of hers I've read.
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Postby morshana » Fri Feb 08, 2013 7:03 pm

Welcome aboard, George!
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Postby Carrol Fix » Sat Feb 09, 2013 10:41 pm

Hello, I'm Carrol Fix.

Just wanted to check in. I'm a retired computer consultant with many years of writers' itch. Very uncomfortable. Rejections and no ligitimately published items. (Unless you count high school newspapers wotf008 )
I'm embarrassed to admit I've actually gone the vanity press route. wotf017 My self-confidence level is so low I have pretty much given up on submitting to traditional publishers. Ok. TMI. Here I am, following insructions to the letter, as usual.

Happy to be aboard. Looks like fun here.

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Postby morshana » Sat Feb 09, 2013 11:19 pm

Welcome, Carrol!

Most of us experience self-doubt from time to time, but don't let it stop you from submitting. It's the editor's job to reject, not ours. The first rejections can sting, but I've found that the more I submit, the less I care whether or not the story's rejected. I figure it's just a matter of time. Meanwhile, I keep writing and trying to improve and submitting.

All writers get rejections, regardless of how successful they become. It just comes with the territory. So try not to worry too much about receiving a rejection and submit! wotf007

And this is a fun place to be!
Jeanette Gonzalez

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