Moon's SUPER SECRET Bonus Challenge! Vol. 36

Open topics on the Contest itself, to include results-watch threads and other items of note.
User avatar
disgruntledpeony
Posts: 873
Joined: Fri Jul 31, 2015 7:21 pm
Contact:

Re: Moon's SUPER SECRET Bonus Challenge! Vol. 36

Postby disgruntledpeony » Sun May 05, 2019 8:23 am

TimE wrote:I'm trying to do both at the moment, and it is difficult to retain momentum. I'm trying to restrict Q3 s/s to bubbling ideas at the moment, but even that's interfering with my novel.


Yeah, see, I'm no good at working on multiple projects at once.

TimE wrote:I do hope you continue entering WotF - and win soon.


I'll be entering two more quarters, for sure. After that, we'll see. I want to win, but I don't want to get so hung up on winning that I miss out on other opportunities--especially now that I have the twins, because my time is even more limited these days.
If a person offend you, and you are in doubt as to whether it was intentional or not, do not resort to extreme measures; simply watch your chance and hit him with a brick. ~ Mark Twain

R, SF, SHM, SHM, SHM, F, R, HM, SHM, R, ?

User avatar
JVAshley
Posts: 129
Joined: Tue Apr 14, 2015 5:37 pm
Contact:

Re: Moon's SUPER SECRET Bonus Challenge! Vol. 36

Postby JVAshley » Sun May 05, 2019 9:18 am

disgruntledpeony wrote:I'll be entering two more quarters, for sure. After that, we'll see. I want to win, but I don't want to get so hung up on winning that I miss out on other opportunities--especially now that I have the twins, because my time is even more limited these days.


Same here. I plan to finish (4 in 36). Writing fresh short stories has been a huge boon in my writing speed and quality, and a win could certainly help launch a novel career.

But I have novel edits for a manuscript that an editor told me to send in when I am done. Splitting my attention on additional stories has seriously slowed that process. I wish I were fast enough to continue doing both, but I may have to re-asses at the end of this year. wotf005
1x SF
3x HM
2x R

Wulf Moon
Posts: 588
Joined: Wed Sep 06, 2017 2:54 pm
Location: Olympic Peninsula, WA

Re: Moon's SUPER SECRET Bonus Challenge! Vol. 36

Postby Wulf Moon » Sun May 05, 2019 12:04 pm

JVAshley wrote:
disgruntledpeony wrote:I'll be entering two more quarters, for sure. After that, we'll see. I want to win, but I don't want to get so hung up on winning that I miss out on other opportunities--especially now that I have the twins, because my time is even more limited these days.


Same here. I plan to finish (4 in 36). Writing fresh short stories has been a huge boon in my writing speed and quality, and a win could certainly help launch a novel career.

But I have novel edits for a manuscript that an editor told me to send in when I am done. Splitting my attention on additional stories has seriously slowed that process. I wish I were fast enough to continue doing both, but I may have to re-asses at the end of this year. wotf005


Glad the SUPER SECRET fresh story bonus challenge has worked for you, Julia.! "A huge boon in my writing speed and quality" will create better stories and more of them. It will also put you in greater touch with your subconscious, and if you can drop into your supermind on a more frequent basis, you will create more imaginative and meaningful stories.

As to dropping out of WotF, I'm going to say again to all, you NEED this win. If you win this, you have the greatest credit a *new* writer can have, and you become a prequalified author among editors and agents. Your novel ms won't sleep in the slush. It's going to get pulled to the top and considered ahead of the others, knocking a year or even a couple years off your consideration time. Better, with a good credit like this, you might be able to get the interest of an agent that could actually do you some good.

I'll suggest this, because it is very hard to slave for two masters--short stories and novel at the same time. Work on your flash. You can do a flash in a day easy. Use it as a warmup excercise before going to your novel. As you get close to the end of a quarter, select one to flesh out just a bit and send in. Don't labor on it for months, just a day or two. See? It won't eat up all your time. You're still in, and you're still writing your novel.

All the beast,

~Beastmaster Moon~
Wulf Moon
Q4 Vol 35 "Super-Duper Moongirl..."
Annual Critters Readers' Choice Award: First Place, "War Dog," Best SF&F Short Story of 2018
Gala Awards Ceremony Speech: https://youtu.be/9Vf1eeeKPRA Located at 1:09: 00

Wulf Moon
Posts: 588
Joined: Wed Sep 06, 2017 2:54 pm
Location: Olympic Peninsula, WA

Re: Moon's SUPER SECRET Bonus Challenge! Vol. 36

Postby Wulf Moon » Sun May 05, 2019 12:14 pm

Helge wrote: "After a few days of writing like this, I got into a rhythm and started experiencing the same thing that happens to me with good books: I stopped seeing the words. Instead, I was living the story in my head - like when reading, but the experience was a lot stronger.
Writing that book was a rush, and I remember it fondly. I hope that one day I'll be able to get back into such a rhythm and experience this again."

Excellent. The routine pushed your conscious skills into autopilot--it became easier to write, so your conscious mind could let go and allow the subconscious to drive. That's the best place to be in, and in the beginning, it's very had to get there. So there is one trick. Develop a writing routine.

Any others to boost access to our subconscious? Weigh in! You are making the next SUPER SECRET!

~Moon~
Wulf Moon
Q4 Vol 35 "Super-Duper Moongirl..."
Annual Critters Readers' Choice Award: First Place, "War Dog," Best SF&F Short Story of 2018
Gala Awards Ceremony Speech: https://youtu.be/9Vf1eeeKPRA Located at 1:09: 00

User avatar
JVAshley
Posts: 129
Joined: Tue Apr 14, 2015 5:37 pm
Contact:

Re: Moon's SUPER SECRET Bonus Challenge! Vol. 36

Postby JVAshley » Sun May 05, 2019 4:48 pm

Wulf Moon wrote:I'll suggest this, because it is very hard to slave for two masters--short stories and novel at the same time. Work on your flash. You can do a flash in a day easy. Use it as a warmup excercise before going to your novel. As you get close to the end of a quarter, select one to flesh out just a bit and send in. Don't labor on it for months, just a day or two. See? It won't eat up all your time. You're still in, and you're still writing your novel.

This sounds like a workable strategy. I have never written flash, but this could be the compromise that keeps me in the WotF game. I continue writing, gaining speed AND a daily warm up routine before the novel edits.
wotf009
1x SF
3x HM
2x R

User avatar
AnikeKirsten
Posts: 40
Joined: Tue Nov 27, 2018 6:58 am
Contact:

Re: Moon's SUPER SECRET Bonus Challenge! Vol. 36

Postby AnikeKirsten » Sun May 05, 2019 9:35 pm

A trick I've found to work for me, and maybe would for others as well, is the reminder to self that there are no crappy ideas. Have an idea for a story? Write it. Bugger whether people would like it or not, just write it. Write them all. Even if the drafts aren't complete. Then, when you want to sit and have a serious writing session (e.g to make WotF quarter deadlines) pull up that file of ideas written and in whatever state of completion, read through them, pick the one you feel strongest about (that also fits SFF, of course, for WotF), and flesh it out, work it.

Not everything you write has to be sellable. Junk writing is a very liberating experience. Especially potent when a writing routine is established. Getting the noise out of my head helps me focus and I can get into that writing spree fest that lasts a few weeks or more at times. Perhaps it could do the same for others.
V.35: Q4 - SHM.
V.36: Q1 - HM.
V.36: Q2 - Pending.

TimE
Posts: 132
Joined: Fri Aug 31, 2018 4:56 am

Re: Moon's SUPER SECRET Bonus Challenge! Vol. 36

Postby TimE » Mon May 06, 2019 12:45 am

On a recent podcast Anderson talks of not winning WotF (after 23 submissions) before getting a novel published, and mentions Sawyer having done similar. So - do you NEED to win?
5*R 2*HM - I thought I was getting closer, but perhaps not.
CWA-Debut Dagger shortlist. https://thecwa.co.uk/colours/ (Still trying to find my genre - but perhaps it scifi!)

jficke13
Posts: 189
Joined: Wed Mar 29, 2017 4:24 am
Location: Wisconsin
Contact:

Re: Moon's SUPER SECRET Bonus Challenge! Vol. 36

Postby jficke13 » Mon May 06, 2019 6:39 am

TimE wrote:On a recent podcast Anderson talks of not winning WotF (after 23 submissions) before getting a novel published, and mentions Sawyer having done similar. So - do you NEED to win?


Nope. Many many many more authors break in having not won WotF than break in having won WotF. It’s a path, but not the only path. That’s not really a reason not to submit either. Plenty of people break in not having published at other short markets too, but that shouldn’t dissuade you from sending to CW, BCS, et al.

The first and most important thing is that you’ll never break in without something good enough to publish. Everything follows from there.
HM x2, Vol. 34 Q4 - 3rd. http://www.jonficke.com

User avatar
disgruntledpeony
Posts: 873
Joined: Fri Jul 31, 2015 7:21 pm
Contact:

Re: Moon's SUPER SECRET Bonus Challenge! Vol. 36

Postby disgruntledpeony » Mon May 06, 2019 6:52 am

TimE wrote:On a recent podcast Anderson talks of not winning WotF (after 23 submissions) before getting a novel published, and mentions Sawyer having done similar. So - do you NEED to win?

Winning is great. It's not the only way to get into writing, but it's a great foot in the door. Some people genuinely might feel they NEED to, whether because they want the prestige or because it's a hard and fast goal on their 'how to become a professional writer' checklist. I don't think I NEED to anymore--not as much as I used to, anyway--but I definitely WANT to. I can certainly say that any success I gain as a writer will be due in large part to the things I learned entering this contest. I don't want to stop entering, and I may find ways to keep entering while writing those novels I want to write. I just know that after my four fresh stories, the next goal scratched on that mental chalkboard is WRITE NOVEL. I need to prove to myself I can finish one.
If a person offend you, and you are in doubt as to whether it was intentional or not, do not resort to extreme measures; simply watch your chance and hit him with a brick. ~ Mark Twain

R, SF, SHM, SHM, SHM, F, R, HM, SHM, R, ?

Corbin Maxwell
Posts: 358
Joined: Fri Dec 14, 2007 11:53 am

Re: Moon's SUPER SECRET Bonus Challenge! Vol. 36

Postby Corbin Maxwell » Mon May 06, 2019 8:05 am

AnikeKirsten wrote:A trick I've found to work for me, and maybe would for others as well, is the reminder to self that there are no crappy ideas. Have an idea for a story? Write it. Bugger whether people would like it or not, just write it. Write them all. Even if the drafts aren't complete. Then, when you want to sit and have a serious writing session (e.g to make WotF quarter deadlines) pull up that file of ideas written and in whatever state of completion, read through them, pick the one you feel strongest about (that also fits SFF, of course, for WotF), and flesh it out, work it.

Not everything you write has to be sellable. Junk writing is a very liberating experience. Especially potent when a writing routine is established. Getting the noise out of my head helps me focus and I can get into that writing spree fest that lasts a few weeks or more at times. Perhaps it could do the same for others.



I heard of a guy who wrote a book about a girl who got raped with a corncob. Now is that bad idea for a story?
For there is death in the sound of it, and a glamorous fatality, like silver pennons downrushing at sunset, or a dying fall of horns along the road to Ronceveaux.




SF x 1
HM x 10

User avatar
disgruntledpeony
Posts: 873
Joined: Fri Jul 31, 2015 7:21 pm
Contact:

Re: Moon's SUPER SECRET Bonus Challenge! Vol. 36

Postby disgruntledpeony » Mon May 06, 2019 8:13 am

Corbin Maxwell wrote:
AnikeKirsten wrote:A trick I've found to work for me, and maybe would for others as well, is the reminder to self that there are no crappy ideas. Have an idea for a story? Write it. Bugger whether people would like it or not, just write it. Write them all. Even if the drafts aren't complete. Then, when you want to sit and have a serious writing session (e.g to make WotF quarter deadlines) pull up that file of ideas written and in whatever state of completion, read through them, pick the one you feel strongest about (that also fits SFF, of course, for WotF), and flesh it out, work it.

Not everything you write has to be sellable. Junk writing is a very liberating experience. Especially potent when a writing routine is established. Getting the noise out of my head helps me focus and I can get into that writing spree fest that lasts a few weeks or more at times. Perhaps it could do the same for others.



I heard of a guy who wrote a book about a girl who got raped with a corncob. Now is that bad idea for a story?

I wouldn't read it, that's for damn sure.

On the other hand, I get where Anike is coming from. I've written some NSFW things for my husband that I have no intention of ever publishing, but we've gotten enjoyment out of them, and they got me writing at one point when I was inspirationally dead in the water. Writing for personal pleasure, without intent to publish, is still writing and can definitely still be a learning experience.
If a person offend you, and you are in doubt as to whether it was intentional or not, do not resort to extreme measures; simply watch your chance and hit him with a brick. ~ Mark Twain

R, SF, SHM, SHM, SHM, F, R, HM, SHM, R, ?

Corbin Maxwell
Posts: 358
Joined: Fri Dec 14, 2007 11:53 am

Re: Moon's SUPER SECRET Bonus Challenge! Vol. 36

Postby Corbin Maxwell » Mon May 06, 2019 8:20 am

That guy went on to win the two biggest writing contests in the world. And like Anika said, he didn’t care what people thought about his writing. He wrote his way. And of course the story is not a graphic account like it would be today.
For there is death in the sound of it, and a glamorous fatality, like silver pennons downrushing at sunset, or a dying fall of horns along the road to Ronceveaux.




SF x 1
HM x 10

User avatar
AnikeKirsten
Posts: 40
Joined: Tue Nov 27, 2018 6:58 am
Contact:

Re: Moon's SUPER SECRET Bonus Challenge! Vol. 36

Postby AnikeKirsten » Mon May 06, 2019 9:17 am

Wow. Weird stuff out there. wotf012 Well, splatterpunk is a subgenre that exists with a niche audience, so I guess it could still stand into the publishing aspect of it though I don't have valid experience in that department. But yeah, basically the idea is just to help you get over humps and blocks in writing.
V.35: Q4 - SHM.
V.36: Q1 - HM.
V.36: Q2 - Pending.

User avatar
OldDarth
Posts: 182
Joined: Mon Oct 13, 2014 7:05 am
Location: Alberta, Canada

Re: Moon's SUPER SECRET Bonus Challenge! Vol. 36

Postby OldDarth » Mon May 06, 2019 9:51 am

Working my way through WOTF Volume 35 - seems to have a greater quantity of harder-edged stories in it than previous volumes. Interesting - start of a trend or just the best stories in this quarter shared that characteristic? Probably the latter.

Your story was great Wulf - and yes the first person POV is vital to its charm and poignancy.
My contest history:
V32Q3 - SHM/V33Q2 - R
'Every man is my superior in that I may learn from him.'

Wulf Moon
Posts: 588
Joined: Wed Sep 06, 2017 2:54 pm
Location: Olympic Peninsula, WA

Re: Moon's SUPER SECRET Bonus Challenge! Vol. 36

Postby Wulf Moon » Mon May 06, 2019 11:38 am

Of course there are many roads to Mecca. We are here because we believe this is the BEST road to Mecca. If we didn't believe that, what are we doing here? Go write that novel. Go sell those short stories to other markets. No one is forcing anyone to stay here, nor to sign up for this voluntary challenge. I am spending a lot of time and effort here to help you win through this challenge because I believe in the power of this contest, and in the power of writing fresh stories, not rewriting old. If you don't believe, why sign up for the more difficult challenge? Why keep trying to enter this contest? The people commenting in this topic are people that joined my challenge because they BELIEVE, and if others wish to chime in, they should be cheering everyone else along toward gaining the advantages this contest brings.

Writers of the Future has launched the careers for many, many writers. Even Brandon Sanderson, who recieved a semifinalist certificate, has said that without that certificate, he would have quit writing. With it, he had confirmation his writing must be good, and with that belief, went on to write his first novel. No, he didn't win the contest. But Brandon would not be writing today without one of the many benefits Writers of the Future provides. He has said so! Nnedi Okorafor, who has won the three highest awards in SF and Fantasy, just spoke to us in our workshop and said the reason she is writing today is because she won WotF. Martin Shoemaker said the same thing, and now he's got his first novel out with Baen. Kris Rusch and Dean Wesley Smith are friends of mine. Dean was the first writer to walk across the very first WotF stage, and Kris shortly after him in that same first year. They launched their bestselling careers with this contest. Go pick up Volume 3. There's a guy in that one named Dave Wolverton--now David Farland. He won the Golden Pen, and just look where that win took him! He submitted a portion from his novel, won the Golden Pen, sold his novel immediately, and launched a bestselling career. I could go on and on. But why? If you are here, you believed enough to join. You didn't sign up for life. You took my fresh stories for the four quarters of Volume 36 challenge because you believed it would help. So help yourselves, and help the other challenge members, by putting wind in one another's sails. I created this challenge to focus on the good, and to focus on specific writing tips that might be employed to get you your win. Help one another by remembering why you joined, and by building your fellow runners up in this four quarter marathon. It will build me up as well--trust me, I've got plenty of other things I need to be working on, but helping you out is important to me--some of you I have run alongside with for years. I've jogged back from the finish line to hand you a water bottle and power bar, and to run alongside you telling you that you can do this! And you can!

Sometimes, just hearing words of encouragement from friends is all that a runner needs to dig down and finish the race. Be that voice for your fellow runners.

And now, back on the topic at hand. How do we engage our muse, the subconscious, more effectively? We've got a writing routine, we've got the mantra there are no crappy ideas--just write and don't judge. What else? I know I've got a trigger I use, a symbolic cue with an audible sound in the real world that awakens the muse in the subconscious. I put on a kettle of tea, and when I hear that whistle blow, it's off to the races. How about physical cues to stir your subconscious to rise up? Has anyone else tried this?

And we are still waiting on results from Q1 for TWO of our SUPER SECRET challenge members! This is very exciting for all of us--what are the odds that from a possible 2000 entries from AROUND THE WORLD, TWO, count them, TWO finalists have come forth from our SUPER SECRET challenge group? Here's to seeing new winners come forth this year from among our challenge members! May the next winner be YOU!

All the beast,

~Beastmaster Moon~
Last edited by Wulf Moon on Mon May 06, 2019 4:04 pm, edited 2 times in total.
Wulf Moon
Q4 Vol 35 "Super-Duper Moongirl..."
Annual Critters Readers' Choice Award: First Place, "War Dog," Best SF&F Short Story of 2018
Gala Awards Ceremony Speech: https://youtu.be/9Vf1eeeKPRA Located at 1:09: 00

storysinger
Posts: 865
Joined: Tue Jul 30, 2013 1:00 pm
Location: Pensacola

Re: Moon's SUPER SECRET Bonus Challenge! Vol. 36

Postby storysinger » Mon May 06, 2019 11:54 am

I am one who has read everyone of your words of advice here Wulf. Thanks for all of those pearls of wisdom.
Now that I've returned to entering the contest I am paying attention to what is expected.
I recently sent my first completed novel to two different first-readers to get some feedback on the possibilities.
I don't have all my eggs in one basket but for as long as possible I will write fresh stories to submit to WotF.
HM-1
Today's science fiction is tomorrow's reality.
D.R.Sweeney

Wulf Moon
Posts: 588
Joined: Wed Sep 06, 2017 2:54 pm
Location: Olympic Peninsula, WA

Re: Moon's SUPER SECRET Bonus Challenge! Vol. 36

Postby Wulf Moon » Mon May 06, 2019 12:24 pm

storysinger wrote:I am one who has read everyone of your words of advice here Wulf. Thanks for all of those pearls of wisdom.
Now that I've returned to entering the contest I am paying attention to what is expected.
I recently sent my first completed novel to two different first-readers to get some feedback on the possibilities.
I don't have all my eggs in one basket but for as long as possible I will write fresh stories to submit to WotF.


Well done, Storysinger! You are wise to have eggs in other baskets, and even wiser not to neglect the basket that holds the richest rewards possible to a new writer. May you feast from them all as you KEEP WRITING FRESH STORIES! wotf001

All the beast,

Wulf Moon
Wulf Moon
Q4 Vol 35 "Super-Duper Moongirl..."
Annual Critters Readers' Choice Award: First Place, "War Dog," Best SF&F Short Story of 2018
Gala Awards Ceremony Speech: https://youtu.be/9Vf1eeeKPRA Located at 1:09: 00

TimE
Posts: 132
Joined: Fri Aug 31, 2018 4:56 am

Re: Moon's SUPER SECRET Bonus Challenge! Vol. 36

Postby TimE » Mon May 06, 2019 10:38 pm

I still WANT to win. I'd LOVE to win. Right now - I need a coffee.

(I thought there were many roads to Rome? Damn! No wonder I haven't seen the Coliseum yet.)
5*R 2*HM - I thought I was getting closer, but perhaps not.
CWA-Debut Dagger shortlist. https://thecwa.co.uk/colours/ (Still trying to find my genre - but perhaps it scifi!)

User avatar
AnikeKirsten
Posts: 40
Joined: Tue Nov 27, 2018 6:58 am
Contact:

Re: Moon's SUPER SECRET Bonus Challenge! Vol. 36

Postby AnikeKirsten » Tue May 07, 2019 1:04 am

Stimulus triggers is pretty interesting. I don't have any myself. Wonder if I should make and ingrain one. I reckon the Pavlovian idea could have quite a potent effect.

And thank you, so much, Wulf! Taking the time to help us and cheer us on means more than words can describe. It really does help tremendously and sharing in the excitement of fellow forumite successes gives that extra punch to motivation that, yes, I can and will win this.
V.35: Q4 - SHM.
V.36: Q1 - HM.
V.36: Q2 - Pending.

User avatar
JVAshley
Posts: 129
Joined: Tue Apr 14, 2015 5:37 pm
Contact:

Re: Moon's SUPER SECRET Bonus Challenge! Vol. 36

Postby JVAshley » Tue May 07, 2019 11:24 am

JVAshley wrote:
Wulf Moon wrote:Work on your flash. You can do a flash in a day easy. Use it as a warmup excercise before going to your novel.

This sounds like a workable strategy. I continue writing, gaining speed AND a daily warm up routine before the novel edits.

All right Mr. Moon. Today's the day.
I'm giving flash a try as a warm up to noveling.
Hold on to your hat! (Nice hat, by the way)
Who knows what could happen! wotf042

BTW, Thanks as always for the advice and pep talk wotf008
1x SF
3x HM
2x R

User avatar
JVAshley
Posts: 129
Joined: Tue Apr 14, 2015 5:37 pm
Contact:

Re: Moon's SUPER SECRET Bonus Challenge! Vol. 36

Postby JVAshley » Wed May 08, 2019 7:33 am

As I mentioned above, I attempted my first Flash yesterday. The rough sketch of it is already 460 words. So, I'm not sure if it will remain Flash when I flesh it out. But it is Fresh, and the idea intrigues me. Plus, it seems more WotF than my other idea.

Good Luck my friends!
1x SF
3x HM
2x R

Corbin Maxwell
Posts: 358
Joined: Fri Dec 14, 2007 11:53 am

Re: Moon's SUPER SECRET Bonus Challenge! Vol. 36

Postby Corbin Maxwell » Wed May 08, 2019 8:26 am

TimE wrote:I still WANT to win. I'd LOVE to win. Right now - I need a coffee.

(I thought there were many roads to Rome? Damn! No wonder I haven't seen the Coliseum yet.)



Maybe winning the WOTF contest is not your Rome. Your Dark Tower. As Jeff Carlson once told me, “At the end of the day it’s just a short story sale.”

If you’re writing and reading and studying, and if all that makes you feel good inside, then you’ve won.
For there is death in the sound of it, and a glamorous fatality, like silver pennons downrushing at sunset, or a dying fall of horns along the road to Ronceveaux.




SF x 1
HM x 10

User avatar
OldDarth
Posts: 182
Joined: Mon Oct 13, 2014 7:05 am
Location: Alberta, Canada

Re: Moon's SUPER SECRET Bonus Challenge! Vol. 36

Postby OldDarth » Wed May 08, 2019 9:44 am


If you’re writing and reading and studying, and if all that makes you feel good inside, then you’ve won.


Hear! Hear!
My contest history:
V32Q3 - SHM/V33Q2 - R
'Every man is my superior in that I may learn from him.'

Wulf Moon
Posts: 588
Joined: Wed Sep 06, 2017 2:54 pm
Location: Olympic Peninsula, WA

Re: Moon's SUPER SECRET Bonus Challenge! Vol. 36

Postby Wulf Moon » Wed May 08, 2019 10:10 am

Corbin Maxwell wrote:
TimE wrote:I still WANT to win. I'd LOVE to win. Right now - I need a coffee.

(I thought there were many roads to Rome? Damn! No wonder I haven't seen the Coliseum yet.)



Maybe winning the WOTF contest is not your Rome. Your Dark Tower. As Jeff Carlson once told me, “At the end of the day it’s just a short story sale.”

If you’re writing and reading and studying, and if all that makes you feel good inside, then you’ve won.


But it's not "just a short story sale." And it's not a "Dark Tower." People that say that are actually trying to diminish all the benefits that come from winning this contest. If they had said "it is a short story sale" that would be true. To say "just a short story sale" is to say it is just another ordinary sale to another pro market, with no additional benefits. That is such a gross understatement, it is a falsehood. A win in this contest provides far, far more. And everyone here, *that has taken up this challenge*, knows this. I am happy others want to read this topic. If they have something positive to say to the members that have signed up for it, cheering them on as good people do in the sidelines of a race, I welcome it. But please do note this topic is specifically for challenge members--people that signed up to do the work--not for passers through that want to toss out comments on stories about "raping women with corncobs" and saying winning the contest has little consequence. That's like standing on the sidelines and calling out to marathon runners, "Do you really want to be in this race? Why try for this finish line?" Please, take that negative talk somewhere else. And I am not just singling out one person here. Others have been sneaking in comments like this and trying to undermine the good spirit here.

There are plenty of other topics where people can say whatever they wish, within reason. This topic is for *challenge members.* I am its founder and moderator, and I have worked very hard to keep it positive, and focused on its stated purpose. Please respect what I'm trying to do here, what all of our members are trying to do here. And if you don't, please, just move along.

No short story sale comes with over $30,000 worth of benefits. I didn't make that figure up. John Goodwin is president of ASI, and it comes from his accounting records. A short story in even the most prestigious magazines will earn you about 0.10 a word. And a publication in their magazine. That's it folks. Now take the Writers of the Future Contest. By the time you add in the prize money and your publication rate of 0.06, you will more than likely exceed that. My payout with my second place prize money works out around $0.18 a word. Nobody in the spec fic field tops that rate. Not *just another sale.* You also get a weeklong workshop with the best teachers in the industry. Orson Scott Card, David Farland, and Tim Powers for ours. Not *just another sale.* You get flown to Hollywood from wherever you live in the world, and put up in the Leows Hotel, and get free pickup service to and from the airport. Not *just another sale.* You have flown in to your workshop dozens of top writers and industry experts, and they all share their pearls of wisdom to help you succeed in flash one hour sessions. Not *just another sale.* You get taken by stretch limo to one of the top banquet halls in Hollywood, in our case get to see a giant sixteen foot iron robot greeting you off the cover of your book, you get a delicious banquet served table-side, and you get to enjoy a stage and program with one sole purpose--to honor you for your achievement! Not *just another sale.* Your story gets published in a beautiful book, translated into many languages (I believe I was told 30) and distributed around the world, hitting #1 Best Seller categories, making you a bestselling author. Not *just another sale.* You get a professional team booking you television, radio, and newspaper spots, and setting up signings to promote you and the book in major bookstore venues like Barnes & Noble. Not *just another sale.* I could go on and on, but anyone that says this is *just another sale* has their head in the sand. And they want YOU to put your head in the sand with them.

Like I said, this topic is for commentary by people that took up my challenge. They didn't have to. But they did. There is a published list. They signed up. They believed it would help. They can leave at any time, it's a voluntary challenge obviously. Others not in this challenge are reading the posts and comments, and I hope they take what works for them and use it to advance their writing skills. But if you're not a member of the challenge, please don't ruin this for the rest that see its benefits. Plenty of other places to go make your comments.

Wulf Moon
Wulf Moon
Q4 Vol 35 "Super-Duper Moongirl..."
Annual Critters Readers' Choice Award: First Place, "War Dog," Best SF&F Short Story of 2018
Gala Awards Ceremony Speech: https://youtu.be/9Vf1eeeKPRA Located at 1:09: 00

TimE
Posts: 132
Joined: Fri Aug 31, 2018 4:56 am

Re: Moon's SUPER SECRET Bonus Challenge! Vol. 36

Postby TimE » Wed May 08, 2019 11:21 am

My main focus for the past 8 or 9 months has been WotF, with a novel (based on a s/s submitted to WotF) in between new s/s. Everyone else seems submit to other places - I'm not familiar with those places and haven't really looked into them.
WotF is head, shoulders and torso above other comps.
Now I need a whisky (it's later in the UK.)
5*R 2*HM - I thought I was getting closer, but perhaps not.
CWA-Debut Dagger shortlist. https://thecwa.co.uk/colours/ (Still trying to find my genre - but perhaps it scifi!)

User avatar
JVAshley
Posts: 129
Joined: Tue Apr 14, 2015 5:37 pm
Contact:

Re: Moon's SUPER SECRET Bonus Challenge! Vol. 36

Postby JVAshley » Wed May 08, 2019 11:36 am

I should chime in here since I played a part in the derailment, and I owe Wulf an apology for it.

This is the "Moon's SUPER SECRET Bonus Challenge!" not the "Should we write short stories at all" or any other thread. While all discussions are worth having, the threads are broken into topics to help forumites find the appropriate area to discuss each issue. Although my ill placed comment, gained me some very useful Wulf guided advise on juggling short stories and novels, it was not respectful of what Wulf.

As Wulf said, here we have all signed on to race to the finish aided by Wulf's selfless and amazing advice to aid us toward the ultimate goal and career starter of entering the winner's circle of WotF. And he is right about the rewards. I find out continuously what a huge deal this is!

Again, I am sorry for my part Wulf.
And THANK YOU for sharing your time and advice!
Last edited by JVAshley on Wed May 08, 2019 12:20 pm, edited 1 time in total.
1x SF
3x HM
2x R

storysinger
Posts: 865
Joined: Tue Jul 30, 2013 1:00 pm
Location: Pensacola

Re: Moon's SUPER SECRET Bonus Challenge! Vol. 36

Postby storysinger » Wed May 08, 2019 12:10 pm

Wulf Moon wrote: But if you're not a member of the challenge, please don't ruin this for the rest that see its benefits. Plenty of other places to go make your comments.


Very good Wulf. Thank you for all you do and for keeping the right frame of mind for all the forumites reaping your advice and striving for improving our abilities. I enjoy writing a new story for every quarter. I am cultivating the ability to write what I feel and use minimal editing. Think it, write it, and be happy with what you've accomplished. Write on!
HM-1
Today's science fiction is tomorrow's reality.
D.R.Sweeney

User avatar
disgruntledpeony
Posts: 873
Joined: Fri Jul 31, 2015 7:21 pm
Contact:

Re: Moon's SUPER SECRET Bonus Challenge! Vol. 36

Postby disgruntledpeony » Wed May 08, 2019 12:18 pm

It wasn't my intention to derail anything or undermine anyone else's spirits. I certainly wasn't trying to undermine the challenge. I made the mistake of voicing some private thoughts and concerns in a public space, and it turned out to be a bad call. My apologies to everyone.
If a person offend you, and you are in doubt as to whether it was intentional or not, do not resort to extreme measures; simply watch your chance and hit him with a brick. ~ Mark Twain

R, SF, SHM, SHM, SHM, F, R, HM, SHM, R, ?

User avatar
JVAshley
Posts: 129
Joined: Tue Apr 14, 2015 5:37 pm
Contact:

Re: Moon's SUPER SECRET Bonus Challenge! Vol. 36

Postby JVAshley » Wed May 08, 2019 12:25 pm

disgruntledpeony wrote:It wasn't my intention to derail anything or undermine anyone else's spirits. I certainly wasn't trying to undermine the challenge. I made the mistake of voicing some private thoughts and concerns in a public space, and it turned out to be a bad call. My apologies to everyone.

I definitely went down the rabbit hole of voicing private concerns in a public space. Writing is hard, but luckily Wulf is very encouraging. We shall soldier on towards the WotF winner's circle. Maybe we can meet up next spring disgruntledpeony at the Gala! Get the baby sitters on the ready!
1x SF
3x HM
2x R

Corbin Maxwell
Posts: 358
Joined: Fri Dec 14, 2007 11:53 am

Re: Moon's SUPER SECRET Bonus Challenge! Vol. 36

Postby Corbin Maxwell » Wed May 08, 2019 12:44 pm

I think your challenge is a good one. It gets people to produce stories. And regardless of a win, they'll have written a bunch of stories and that's always good for a writer.

I'm not trying to start an argument. The person who told me that about it being just another short story sale is, or was, a contest winner and went on to sign a multi-book contract. I think he was trying to soothe my frustration at not winning the contest after several years of trying. He was being realistic. I'm not saying there isn't great, unmatched benefits to winning the contest. My objective was to offer a positive outlook for writers who haven't won, by which I mean anytime you write, you win personally. Yes, a person who wins the contest is treated like royalty and God bless the contest for providing that to new writers. But after every one is done chanting your name and cheering you on, you have to face that blank page again and also face yourself. That's what writing is: Am I good enough. And like the Navy SEALS say: the only easy day was yesterday. What I'm saying is to write because it makes you feel good and you enjoy it regardless of publication. That's the hard lesson I learned after a pill addiction and a car accident and book contract that I made too much of and also allowed it to inflate my ego instead of staying humble. That's just me though. I'm not saying that will happen to anybody else.

I'm not trying to belittle the achievement. And I'm not a passer through. I've been on the forum since 2005, and for several years I submitted fresh stories for every quarter. That's of course not the reason I didn't win; I didn't win because the stories were not good enough, but I believe I was making progress toward finalist when I got derailed by a disease and then an addiction and piece of crap publishing company. But again my experience.

A side note on the guy who wrote the rape story: he won two Pulitzers and a Nobel Peace Prize.

And I have to ask: Did you write Moongirl so you could win a prize and get paid, or did you write it because you wanted to tell the story of a little girl facing a multitude of challenges with a positive attitude so that her story might affect or change the lives of the people reading it. I would say that if your story affected somebody in a positive manner and made them stop and think and be appreciative of the good lives they have or it made them realize that if a young girl can be tough and overcome her difficulties then so can they. That's the prize. And for that I commend you greatly because making people feel is what writing is about. Not money or trophies. I hope there's a bunch of people out there who read your story and it affected them and your story sticks with them the rest of their lives. If it did, then you deserve a million bucks in royalties and I'd be the first one in line to get your autograph on the book and shake your hand.

I respect and admire you. Not because you won the contest but because you wrote a story that has the potential to make somebody's world a better place. They should hand it out in every junior high and high school and have every kid read it.

Anyway, I apologize if I upset anybody with my posts. It was not my intention.
For there is death in the sound of it, and a glamorous fatality, like silver pennons downrushing at sunset, or a dying fall of horns along the road to Ronceveaux.




SF x 1
HM x 10


Return to “The Contest - Quarterly Topics, and Other Items”

Who is online

Users browsing this forum: No registered users and 1 guest