Discussion: Q3 Volume 36

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Re: Discussion: Q3 Volume 36

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Re: Discussion: Q3 Volume 36

Postby Wulf Moon » Tue Oct 01, 2019 2:28 pm

Two Silver HMs in here! Congratulations! You know from my post above how high of caliber those were considered this time! There's a third Forumite with a Silver as well, but that person doesn't comment here much these days. And remember, semifinalists come later now, so we still await to hear on those, and of course, our Finalists.

Best of success! Send those Silvers out to market! They have much potential in view of their ranking. Not that the other stories that got honors do not--send them out to markets!--but you got a gold star from Dave! He said your story was primo! That should be a great motivator.

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Re: Discussion: Q3 Volume 36

Postby Eagerink » Tue Oct 01, 2019 2:39 pm

It occurred to me that now that the rules for pro-ing out are eight cents per word... perhaps some people who would have previously been disqualified entered this quarter. Not Sure how I feel about that, except that I hope they pro-out again soon, lol.
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Re: Discussion: Q3 Volume 36

Postby disgruntledpeony » Tue Oct 01, 2019 2:46 pm

Eagerink wrote:It occurred to me that now that the rules for pro-ing out are eight cents per word... perhaps some people who would have previously been disqualified entered this quarter. Not Sure how I feel about that, except that I hope they pro-out again soon, lol.

I could be wrong, but I would personally assume anything sold at previous pro rates would still count as a pro sale?
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Re: Discussion: Q3 Volume 36

Postby AlexH » Tue Oct 01, 2019 3:01 pm

disgruntledpeony wrote:
Eagerink wrote:It occurred to me that now that the rules for pro-ing out are eight cents per word... perhaps some people who would have previously been disqualified entered this quarter. Not Sure how I feel about that, except that I hope they pro-out again soon, lol.

I could be wrong, but I would personally assume anything sold at previous pro rates would still count as a pro sale?

Correct.

I do wonder what exactly counts as pro though. Is it solely the rates? I got the impression it wasn't always from threads I read a while ago. If I sold 3 flash pieces at pro rates, for example, would that disqualify me? What if none of those sales were to speculative markets? I know Joni is best for these sort of questions, so maybe I should wait until I'm a closer to that stage...
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Re: Discussion: Q3 Volume 36

Postby Wulf Moon » Tue Oct 01, 2019 3:07 pm

Eagerink wrote:It occurred to me that now that the rules for pro-ing out are eight cents per word... perhaps some people who would have previously been disqualified entered this quarter. Not Sure how I feel about that, except that I hope they pro-out again soon, lol.


I had the same discomfort, Eagerink, and I did talk to WotF about the ramifications. They did not change their wording, alas. Their contest. : )

It just goes back to writing the best story you have in you, and forgetting about the competition.

Hard to do at times, I know.

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Re: Discussion: Q3 Volume 36

Postby disgruntledpeony » Tue Oct 01, 2019 3:11 pm

AlexH wrote:
disgruntledpeony wrote:
Eagerink wrote:It occurred to me that now that the rules for pro-ing out are eight cents per word... perhaps some people who would have previously been disqualified entered this quarter. Not Sure how I feel about that, except that I hope they pro-out again soon, lol.

I could be wrong, but I would personally assume anything sold at previous pro rates would still count as a pro sale?

Correct.

I do wonder what exactly counts as pro though. Is it solely the rates? I got the impression it wasn't always from threads I read a while ago. If I sold 3 flash pieces at pro rates, for example, would that disqualify me? What if none of those sales were to speculative markets? I know Joni is best for these sort of questions, so maybe I should wait until I'm a closer to that stage...

From what I understand based on former discussions with people in the know, anything under 1k doesn't count. I'm definitely under the impression they'd need to be fiction. I know that in the past they had to be sold to SFWA qualifying markets or get 5000 hits, but the SFWA clause doesn't seem to be in the rules any more.
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Re: Discussion: Q3 Volume 36

Postby kentagions » Tue Oct 01, 2019 9:45 pm

Wulf Moon wrote:
There's a third Forumite with a Silver as well, but that person doesn't comment here much these days.


Hi Moon,

I've never commented much on the quarterly discussion threads - just a twitch or two on relevant Thursdays.

The result for my Q3, V36 entry is my first SHM and eleventh placement overall in the contest. It's already out to the next market. Every story, no matter the WotF result, gets the same submission treatment. My formula for deciding on markets is: Who pays the most for a story like this? As you know, that's the business.

Best of luck to everyone. Learn... perfect... persist.

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Re: Discussion: Q3 Volume 36

Postby Eagerink » Tue Oct 01, 2019 11:20 pm

disgruntledpeony wrote:
Eagerink wrote:It occurred to me that now that the rules for pro-ing out are eight cents per word... perhaps some people who would have previously been disqualified entered this quarter. Not Sure how I feel about that, except that I hope they pro-out again soon, lol.

I could be wrong, but I would personally assume anything sold at previous pro rates would still count as a pro sale?



I know I would count it as that, but as Wulf says, it's not in the wording, so we just have to write the best stories we can :)
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Re: Discussion: Q3 Volume 36

Postby Wulf Moon » Wed Oct 02, 2019 12:39 am

kentagions wrote:Wulf Moon wrote:
There's a third Forumite with a Silver as well, but that person doesn't comment here much these days.


Hi Moon,

I've never commented much on the quarterly discussion threads - just a twitch or two on relevant Thursdays.

The result for my Q3, V36 entry is my first SHM and eleventh placement overall in the contest. It's already out to the next market. Every story, no matter the WotF result, gets the same submission treatment. My formula for deciding on markets is: Who pays the most for a story like this? As you know, that's the business.

Best of luck to everyone. Learn... perfect... persist.

Kent[/quote

Congrats on your Silver HM, Kent. This round, those are exceptionally strong, I'm told. Glad you already sent it out. I'll be curious to hear how these SHMs do as they make the rounds.

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Re: Discussion: Q3 Volume 36

Postby disgruntledpeony » Wed Oct 02, 2019 2:49 am

kentagions wrote:Wulf Moon wrote:
There's a third Forumite with a Silver as well, but that person doesn't comment here much these days.


Hi Moon,

I've never commented much on the quarterly discussion threads - just a twitch or two on relevant Thursdays.

The result for my Q3, V36 entry is my first SHM and eleventh placement overall in the contest. It's already out to the next market. Every story, no matter the WotF result, gets the same submission treatment. My formula for deciding on markets is: Who pays the most for a story like this? As you know, that's the business.

Best of luck to everyone. Learn... perfect... persist.

Kent

Awesome news, Kent! wotf007 wotf010
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Re: Discussion: Q3 Volume 36

Postby AlexH » Wed Oct 02, 2019 4:35 am

disgruntledpeony wrote:
AlexH wrote:
disgruntledpeony wrote:I could be wrong, but I would personally assume anything sold at previous pro rates would still count as a pro sale?

Correct.

I do wonder what exactly counts as pro though. Is it solely the rates? I got the impression it wasn't always from threads I read a while ago. If I sold 3 flash pieces at pro rates, for example, would that disqualify me? What if none of those sales were to speculative markets? I know Joni is best for these sort of questions, so maybe I should wait until I'm a closer to that stage...

From what I understand based on former discussions with people in the know, anything under 1k doesn't count. I'm definitely under the impression they'd need to be fiction. I know that in the past they had to be sold to SFWA qualifying markets or get 5000 hits, but the SFWA clause doesn't seem to be in the rules any more.

That's what I thought too - it was re-reading the rules before submission that made me wonder again. If I do happen to sell two flash pieces at pro-rates without winning WotF, I'll double-check with Joni. Should that situation arise in the next year, I'd like to give WotF at least another couple of years before pro-ing out.
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Re: Discussion: Q3 Volume 36

Postby storysinger » Wed Oct 02, 2019 6:40 am

Congratulations on the silver Kent. Once again persistence pays off.
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Re: Discussion: Q3 Volume 36

Postby LoyalRam » Wed Oct 02, 2019 7:24 am

My first post ever. I submitted a story a month or so ago. Have they already decided the winners? If so, is there a place to go to see a ranking of some sort?

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Re: Discussion: Q3 Volume 36

Postby disgruntledpeony » Wed Oct 02, 2019 7:53 am

LoyalRam wrote:My first post ever. I submitted a story a month or so ago. Have they already decided the winners? If so, is there a place to go to see a ranking of some sort?

If you submitted a month ago, you're in for the 4th quarter. We'll probably get results from that quarter back closer to December.
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Re: Discussion: Q3 Volume 36

Postby StarReacher » Wed Oct 02, 2019 3:42 pm

This is my first post on this thread. New to posting but I've been lurking for about 2 years now.

Thrilled to report I got a SHM this quarter!! Yippee. My second in the contest.

This group rocks and I have gotten so much out of everyone's posts (both the agonies and the victories). Plus all the great advice. Looking forward to getting to know everyone.
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Re: Discussion: Q3 Volume 36

Postby czing » Wed Oct 02, 2019 5:23 pm

Congrats on the SHM Kent and StarReacher
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Re: Discussion: Q3 Volume 36

Postby vjalrik » Wed Oct 02, 2019 6:39 pm

Congrats Kent, SR, and all the other placers! wotf009
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Re: Discussion: Q3 Volume 36

Postby Wulf Moon » Wed Oct 02, 2019 8:37 pm

StarReacher wrote:This is my first post on this thread. New to posting but I've been lurking for about 2 years now.

Thrilled to report I got a SHM this quarter!! Yippee. My second in the contest.

This group rocks and I have gotten so much out of everyone's posts (both the agonies and the victories). Plus all the great advice. Looking forward to getting to know everyone.


Welcome, StarReacher. You sure know how to make an entrance! Congrats on your silver! Scrape the surface. You'll find there's gold underneath.

Cheers!

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Re: Discussion: Q3 Volume 36

Postby kentagions » Sat Oct 12, 2019 9:44 am

Moon Wrote:
I'll be curious to hear how these SHMs do as they make the rounds.


My Q3 Silver Honorable Mention story has now received three form rejections from Clarkesworld (3 days), Asimov's (1 day), and F&SF (8 days). It is now off to another market.

For those interested, this is fairly usual for these magazines. Rejections are like cracks in a sidewalk, you see them all the time but they should never stop you.

Find out who pays the most. Read recent copies of the publications. Read and meticulously follow their submission guidelines. Submit. Document your submission. Wait. [I will also do one more thing. Submission sites like The Submission Grinder show statistics for response times. When the money is the same, I submit to publications with the shortest response time first.]

Best of luck,
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Re: Discussion: Q3 Volume 36

Postby officer » Sat Oct 12, 2019 2:07 pm

kentagions wrote:
My Q3 Silver Honorable Mention story has now received three form rejections from Clarkesworld (3 days), Asimov's (1 day), and F&SF (8 days). It is now off to another market.



Kent - best of luck finding the right home for your story. Keep submitting! Those current response times are really helpful. I'm wrapping up a new piece and was debating which of those three markets to submit to first. Good to know they aren't overwhelmed at the moment.

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Re: Discussion: Q3 Volume 36

Postby storysinger » Sat Oct 12, 2019 3:29 pm

Your persistence is bound to pay off Kent. Keep up the good work. wotf010
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Re: Discussion: Q3 Volume 36

Postby reigheena » Mon Oct 14, 2019 7:10 am

Getting back reader's responses for my Q3 entry. Nice to see such a clear reason for the R - the beginning was too confusing. I can fix that.
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Re: Discussion: Q3 Volume 36

Postby disgruntledpeony » Mon Oct 14, 2019 7:37 am

reigheena wrote:Getting back reader's responses for my Q3 entry. Nice to see such a clear reason for the R - the beginning was too confusing. I can fix that.

Woot! Feedback is good.

I've just been sending mine out elsewhere, R or no. Probably should take time to look it over at some point, but it's possible it's just not marketable as a short story to begin with. I could easily use it as the seed for a novel, and it would probably do better as part of a longer tale.
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Re: Discussion: Q3 Volume 36

Postby storysinger » Mon Oct 14, 2019 8:15 am

My Q3 story idea was on Dave's instant reject list so probably doomed to fail. Hope it works out for reigheena.
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Re: Discussion: Q3 Volume 36

Postby AlexH » Mon Oct 14, 2019 11:19 am

storysinger wrote:My Q3 story idea was on Dave's instant reject list so probably doomed to fail. Hope it works out for reigheena.

I have two R's under consideration at pro markets. The only changes to one were line edits. The other, I fixed something I thought was a flaw and changed a few other things after a critique. They may still get rejected, but you don't know if you don't send them out! Though I do think it's good to sit on stories sometimes and return to them with fresh eyes (which I had with the flaw story).
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Re: Discussion: Q3 Volume 36

Postby JVAshley » Tue Oct 15, 2019 6:16 am

I am debating how and where to send my HM stories. They tend to run 7-8K except for one flash-is piece which might be too odd to find a home. And the professional markets tend to want new authors to stay in the 5K range. Do any of you know of professional markets that are more likely to look at a longer piece?
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Re: Discussion: Q3 Volume 36

Postby RSchibler » Tue Oct 15, 2019 6:29 am

I recommend the submission grinder - it takes word count into consideration when it gives you available markets!
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Re: Discussion: Q3 Volume 36

Postby JVAshley » Tue Oct 15, 2019 6:47 am

Thanks, RSchibler
I'll check that out right now.
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Re: Discussion: Q3 Volume 36

Postby disgruntledpeony » Tue Oct 15, 2019 6:50 am

JVAshley wrote:I am debating how and where to send my HM stories. They tend to run 7-8K except for one flash-is piece which might be too odd to find a home. And the professional markets tend to want new authors to stay in the 5K range. Do any of you know of professional markets that are more likely to look at a longer piece?

F&SF is always a good option.
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