Discussion: Q3 Volume 37

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Re: Discussion: Q3 Volume 37

Postby CCrawford » Wed Jun 24, 2020 9:49 am

LoyalRam wrote:
CCrawford wrote:I'm in, too! Submitted a few days ago. :)

CC, beautiful family photo! Good luck to you.


Thank you!
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Re: Discussion: Q3 Volume 37

Postby guthington » Wed Jun 24, 2020 11:12 am

I'm in for Quarter 3.

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Re: Discussion: Q3 Volume 37

Postby LoyalRam » Thu Jun 25, 2020 12:25 am

I wonder how many people compete each quarter? Does anyone know?
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Re: Discussion: Q3 Volume 37

Postby SwiftPotato » Thu Jun 25, 2020 3:59 am

They keep it a secret, I think to keep people from being too intimidated by the numbers to send in a story. But we have heard "thousands" before, and it seems the number grows each quarter. :)
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Re: Discussion: Q3 Volume 37

Postby LoyalRam » Thu Jun 25, 2020 4:10 am

SwiftPotato wrote:They keep it a secret, I think to keep people from being too intimidated by the numbers to send in a story. But we have heard "thousands" before, and it seems the number grows each quarter. :)

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Re: Discussion: Q3 Volume 37

Postby KD Julicher » Thu Jun 25, 2020 6:41 am

SwiftPotato wrote:They keep it a secret, I think to keep people from being too intimidated by the numbers to send in a story. But we have heard "thousands" before, and it seems the number grows each quarter. :)



Thousands, yes, but so does every pro paying market and this one is only for fledgling professionals, before you've made many sales. It's anonymous, so it's all based on your work.

If you are consistently getting HMs, you are in the top 10%, or less, of entrants to this contest. That takes it down from "thousands" to "hundreds". Scary, but better!

If you get a SHM or SF, that means you were in the top .5% or so. Someone writing at that level will write publishable stories, guaranteed.

If you (not you, SwiftPotato, obviously!) have never gotten an HM, then step back and try to figure out what part of your writing needs work. Probably it'll be more than one element. See if you can find someone to help you pin it down. If you do get HMs, then keep plugging away. Maybe read Wulf's thread. He's got a ton of suggestions. Maybe go listen to Writing Excuses. They have a lot of suggestions too. Or read Dave's tips. There's a wealth of information at your fingertips. Find what works for you, discard the rest, but write, and submit.

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Re: Discussion: Q3 Volume 37

Postby Dustin Adams » Thu Jun 25, 2020 8:33 am

I'm almost always good for the 450s.
Meaning I'll read and crit the first two pages.

Not always, but I've been known to write more than two pages for a critique. Not about the specific work, but usually about writing itself or things I've learned, etc.
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Re: Discussion: Q3 Volume 37

Postby Wulf Moon » Thu Jun 25, 2020 10:20 am

KD has it right. You aren't competing against the thousands in a quarter--anyone that has read slush knows this. You are competing against about sixty or seventy writers in those higher tiers. And they are very, very good.

You must be better.

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Re: Discussion: Q3 Volume 37

Postby Henckel » Thu Jun 25, 2020 2:07 pm

KD Julicher wrote:Maybe go listen to Writing Excuses.


We rarely talk about Writing Excuses on this forum. But, yeah, this is a brilliant free resource. For any one who hasn't checked this out, you really need to do so.
(2014) V31 Q1 – R
(2018) V35 Q3 – HM
(2019) V36 Q3 – HM
(2019) V36 Q4 – SHM
(2020) V37 Q1 – R
(2020) V37 Q2 – HM
(2020) V37 Q3 – SHM
(2020) V37 Q4 – pending
(2021) V38 Q1 - ???

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Re: Discussion: Q3 Volume 37

Postby Shockhawk » Thu Jun 25, 2020 6:10 pm

I just submitted my piece!! :)
Vol 37 - X, R, R, P

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Re: Discussion: Q3 Volume 37

Postby CCrawford » Thu Jun 25, 2020 6:59 pm

Congrats, Shockhawk!
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Re: Discussion: Q3 Volume 37

Postby somereason » Sat Jun 27, 2020 12:31 am

First time poster, though I read these forums voraciously around the time stories are due to reassure myself that other people are panicking as much as I am.

I have a story I've been working on for this quarter but it doesn't feel ready. On the other hand, I have a story that got a silver honorable mention a few quarters ago that I polished up and I'm tempted to resubmit, but I've turned that story into a novel, and the short story is word for word the first three chapters of the book. Does anybody know if agents/publishers will be less likely to take a book if part of that book has been published in the WOTF anthology?

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Re: Discussion: Q3 Volume 37

Postby TimE » Sat Jun 27, 2020 1:32 am

[quote="somereason"

I have a story I've been working on for this quarter but it doesn't feel ready. On the other hand, I have a story that got a silver honorable mention a few quarters ago that I polished up and I'm tempted to resubmit, but I've turned that story into a novel, and the short story is word for word the first three chapters of the book. Does anybody know if agents/publishers will be less likely to take a book if part of that book has been published in the WOTF anthology?[/quote]

Possibly more likely. Didn't Patrick Rothfuss struggle to get a publisher until he won WotF with a submission taken from his trilogy? Maybe not word for word - but then if a lot of people like a short story in WotF, aren't they more likely to buy a full novel?

See https://www.prweb.com/releases/2011/03/prweb5152024.htm (for info Rothfuss and his story.)
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Re: Discussion: Q3 Volume 37

Postby Retropianoplayer » Sat Jun 27, 2020 9:21 am

Hi Some Reason,

I offer an opinion. You have two goals; one short-term, the other long-term. The former is ready and available, hot off the press, and faces a deadline of midnight, June 30th. The latter is nebulous, up in the air, and isn't a final product. If the revised SHM wins, you'll gain notoriety and prestige which will help you towards your long-term goal. If your revised SHM does NOT win, you proceed with the long-term goal of novelization. It's a win-win.

At this point, I wouldn't stress over "What might be, what could be," as the publishing process is unpredictable a year from now. And I'm sure you'll write more than one novel.

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Re: Discussion: Q3 Volume 37

Postby kizernix » Sat Jun 27, 2020 2:56 pm

Q3 for me is coming in, hands on fire, like Neil Young 1977 (DOWN TO THE WIRE) But, I'm loving the story, which I started just a few weeks ago after ditching my first effort. And come Hell or something similar, I'm finishing and submitting it!!!

Good luck to everyone!
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Re: Discussion: Q3 Volume 37

Postby darynnmark » Sat Jun 27, 2020 7:17 pm

Alright, I just put my story in for the first time. This was an idea I've had for years but never could wrap a story around it - and this time wrote it and polished it in 2 weeks.
Good luck to everyone else!

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Re: Discussion: Q3 Volume 37

Postby KD Julicher » Sat Jun 27, 2020 7:38 pm

somereason wrote:First time poster, though I read these forums voraciously around the time stories are due to reassure myself that other people are panicking as much as I am.

I have a story I've been working on for this quarter but it doesn't feel ready. On the other hand, I have a story that got a silver honorable mention a few quarters ago that I polished up and I'm tempted to resubmit, but I've turned that story into a novel, and the short story is word for word the first three chapters of the book. Does anybody know if agents/publishers will be less likely to take a book if part of that book has been published in the WOTF anthology?



If you're pretty sure the SHM is improved, submit it! I won last quarter with a revised and resubmited HM. It happens!

If the agent/publisher loves your book, they'll publish it. The WOTF contract does not claim any rights over the story that would prevent this from happening. Plenty of books are based on expanded short stories. Look at Ender's Game. Or Dragonflight. Or Childhood's End. Or, or, or...
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Re: Discussion: Q3 Volume 37

Postby disgruntledpeony » Sun Jun 28, 2020 7:16 am

KD Julicher wrote:
somereason wrote:First time poster, though I read these forums voraciously around the time stories are due to reassure myself that other people are panicking as much as I am.

I have a story I've been working on for this quarter but it doesn't feel ready. On the other hand, I have a story that got a silver honorable mention a few quarters ago that I polished up and I'm tempted to resubmit, but I've turned that story into a novel, and the short story is word for word the first three chapters of the book. Does anybody know if agents/publishers will be less likely to take a book if part of that book has been published in the WOTF anthology?



If you're pretty sure the SHM is improved, submit it! I won last quarter with a revised and resubmited HM. It happens!

If the agent/publisher loves your book, they'll publish it. The WOTF contract does not claim any rights over the story that would prevent this from happening. Plenty of books are based on expanded short stories. Look at Ender's Game. Or Dragonflight. Or Childhood's End. Or, or, or...

I've had mixed luck with resubs myself (turned an R into an SHM, but my two revised SHMs... stubbornly remain SHMs). Even so, I endorse this idea, because SHMs are super close to the mark and if you think you've made yours better this is a great way to find out.

KD's right about the short-story-to-novel expansion, too. Nothing wrong with that. :) If sending this revised SHM is what you feel gives you the best chance of winning, go for it.
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Re: Discussion: Q3 Volume 37

Postby pdblake » Sun Jun 28, 2020 8:50 am

It's been a long time coming but I'm in for this quarter too, and have a story ready to submit on the 1st of July (homeworking permitting).

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Re: Discussion: Q3 Volume 37

Postby AlexH » Sun Jun 28, 2020 3:23 pm

I have a revised HM ready to go. It's a better story, but I'm holding back on submission as I still don't think I've made the premise believable enough for it to level up.
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Re: Discussion: Q3 Volume 37

Postby Retropianoplayer » Sun Jun 28, 2020 7:47 pm

Alex H, I read your post.

It's your writing craft, entirely your decision, and only you know whether something of yours should be submitted.

That said, personally, I believe it's better to go down swinging, than be called out on strikes.

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Re: Discussion: Q3 Volume 37

Postby RSchibler » Sun Jun 28, 2020 7:48 pm

Never self reject.
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Re: Discussion: Q3 Volume 37

Postby AlexH » Mon Jun 29, 2020 7:34 am

Oops - my post was worded poorly. I will submit the story, I'm just waiting until closer to the deadline in the hope inspiration strikes in the meantime.

I agree: never self reject! wotf008
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Re: Discussion: Q3 Volume 37

Postby DoctorJest » Mon Jun 29, 2020 10:50 am

I've slipped behind, and won't quite make it in for this quarter. A bunch of little things killed my momentum and energy, so while I'm close, I'm going to look to punt this back, get it ready for Q4, and then get an early start on my next Q1.
WotF: R:0 / HM:7 / sHM:3 / SF:0 / F:0
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Re: Discussion: Q3 Volume 37

Postby Dustin Adams » Mon Jun 29, 2020 11:03 am

pdblake wrote:It's been a long time coming but I'm in for this quarter too, and have a story ready to submit on the 1st of July (homeworking permitting).

Great to see you me ol' friend! (Axeminister here)
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Re: Discussion: Q3 Volume 37

Postby disgruntledpeony » Mon Jun 29, 2020 11:35 am

DoctorJest wrote:I've slipped behind, and won't quite make it in for this quarter. A bunch of little things killed my momentum and energy, so while I'm close, I'm going to look to punt this back, get it ready for Q4, and then get an early start on my next Q1.

Do you have an older story you might be able to polish up real quick so you can still get in this quarter? (If not, no worries. I totally get how life pressures can impact this kind of thing. Just figured it's worth a shot if you have the option. wotf008 )
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Re: Discussion: Q3 Volume 37

Postby Dragonchef » Mon Jun 29, 2020 11:38 am

wotf026 I am in for Q3v37
R = 5
HM = (Q4v36)
SHM = (Q3v32, Q3v37)
SF = Zip
F = Zero
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Re: Discussion: Q3 Volume 37

Postby chuckt » Mon Jun 29, 2020 2:53 pm

I'm in. I was working on a new story but am not going to be able to finish it. Lying in bed last night, I realized how I could improve a story I just got back from one of the zines. The editor was kind enough to comment on it but it took me a while to figure out a way to address what he was talking about.
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Re: Discussion: Q3 Volume 37

Postby DoctorJest » Mon Jun 29, 2020 5:46 pm

disgruntledpeony wrote:
DoctorJest wrote:I've slipped behind, and won't quite make it in for this quarter. A bunch of little things killed my momentum and energy, so while I'm close, I'm going to look to punt this back, get it ready for Q4, and then get an early start on my next Q1.

Do you have an older story you might be able to polish up real quick so you can still get in this quarter? (If not, no worries. I totally get how life pressures can impact this kind of thing. Just figured it's worth a shot if you have the option. wotf008 )

I just took a look at this, and there may possibly be exactly one such that I would be okay with doing so with. I'll take a look and see if I can do anything to tighten or improve it.

(P.S. -- thanks for the nudge, as I looked at the same thing a few days ago, and had convinced myself I had nothing to work with in my backlog, and would probably have just rested on that if I hadn't taken a second look.)
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Re: Discussion: Q3 Volume 37

Postby disgruntledpeony » Mon Jun 29, 2020 7:46 pm

DoctorJest wrote:
disgruntledpeony wrote:
DoctorJest wrote:I've slipped behind, and won't quite make it in for this quarter. A bunch of little things killed my momentum and energy, so while I'm close, I'm going to look to punt this back, get it ready for Q4, and then get an early start on my next Q1.

Do you have an older story you might be able to polish up real quick so you can still get in this quarter? (If not, no worries. I totally get how life pressures can impact this kind of thing. Just figured it's worth a shot if you have the option. wotf008 )

I just took a look at this, and there may possibly be exactly one such that I would be okay with doing so with. I'll take a look and see if I can do anything to tighten or improve it.

(P.S. -- thanks for the nudge, as I looked at the same thing a few days ago, and had convinced myself I had nothing to work with in my backlog, and would probably have just rested on that if I hadn't taken a second look.)

No problem! Glad to help. wotf007
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