What to do when the good guys just can’t win?

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Williamhawk
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What to do when the good guys just can’t win?

Postby Williamhawk » Wed Sep 20, 2017 4:49 am

Hey everyone. I've been thinking about something for the past few days and I thought it might be a good idea to share it here and pick up some opinions/advice about it.

I've recently started rummaging through a story of mine where I worked out the way I'd like it to end, and filled in pretty much everything in between, but there was one gaping hole in the plot that I really didn't know how to resolve. Essentially, there was a vital piece of information that the protagonists needed in order to get to the bottom of the antagonist's plan, but there was no way I could think of for them to ever actually acquire that information. Hell, there's no way that they would ever even consider thinking in the direction that would lead them to it. Maybe, at a push, but it would still be a bridge too far.

I didn't find the right solution from the Internet.

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morganb
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Re: What to do when the good guys just can’t win?

Postby morganb » Wed Sep 20, 2017 5:45 am

Sounds like you've done a fantastic job getting your heroes into big trouble! Nice job making things hard on them.

If some vital item or piece of information exists and they absolutely MUST have it to resolve the plot and send the story toward its conclusion, then you will simply have to devise a way for them to acquire it, whether on their own or by way of some "inside man" helping them out under the noses of the bad guys or some other way.

Probably not a whole lot of help, I know, but I wouldn't even dream of trying to tell you what needs to happen in your own story!

Write on.

~Morgan
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Re: What to do when the good guys just can’t win?

Postby disgruntledpeony » Wed Sep 20, 2017 6:04 am

Iiiiiiiiiiiii'm pretty sure this is spam. A higher quality of spambot than we've gotten in the past, but spam nonetheless.

If you look at Williamhawk's posts, there is a recurring trend of him presenting a problem, asking for our help, saying 'I didn't find the right solution on the internet' (phrased the same way every time), and then providing a reference link that isn't set up to be actually clickable followed by a link to something completely unrelated.

So... yeah. Not a good thing.
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morganb
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Re: What to do when the good guys just can’t win?

Postby morganb » Wed Sep 20, 2017 7:06 am

disgruntledpeony wrote:Iiiiiiiiiiiii'm pretty sure this is spam. A higher quality of spambot than we've gotten in the past, but spam nonetheless.

If you look at Williamhawk's posts, there is a recurring trend of him presenting a problem, asking for our help, saying 'I didn't find the right solution on the internet' (phrased the same way every time), and then providing a reference link that isn't set up to be actually clickable followed by a link to something completely unrelated.

So... yeah. Not a good thing.



Well crap...and here I was thinking I could offer some helpful advice. I think I might have responded to a couple other of his posts today too.
Oh well, at least I'm getting my post counts up. lol

~Morgan
"If you can do it for joy, you can do it forever."
- Stephen King

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Re: What to do when the good guys just can’t win?

Postby kentagions » Wed Sep 27, 2017 5:11 pm

One late occurring minor character might be referred to as a Tangential Character. Tangential Characters often occur in Dickens, but are little used elsewhere. They impart essential information, but are interested in their own goals, usually unrelated to MC goals. They can be information brokers, characters on quests of their own (paladins), Professors or Wise Fools.

Most recently, the Tangential Character is embodied by an old man who lost to the antagonist ages ago. Frank Miller used The Green Arrow as a Tangential Character in the last book of the Dark Knight Returns series from back in the eighties.


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