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Word Counts

Postby jficke13 » Sat Dec 23, 2017 6:25 am

Quick question about word counts for submissions to non-WotF markets.

When using the Microsoft Word wordcount tool, do you highlight the body of the text, the title -> the body, the title -> the word END at the end?

Name About XXXX words
Address
Email
Etc


Title

Awesome words go here.

End


e.g., what parts of this goes into the count? I'm guessing Title -> last word before END, but would love it if someone knew for sure.
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Re: Word Counts

Postby amoskalik » Sat Dec 23, 2017 9:42 am

I've always assumed it was the body only, but I do not think there is a universal rule that applies to all markets. Also, most markets do not need a level a precision that the extra words of the title, byline, address ,etc. would matter. Usually when such precision does matter, they will specify in their submission guidelines exactly what counts and what doesn't.
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Re: Word Counts

Postby Wulf Moon » Mon Dec 25, 2017 12:37 am

jficke13 wrote:Quick question about word counts for submissions to non-WotF markets.

When using the Microsoft Word wordcount tool, do you highlight the body of the text, the title -> the body, the title -> the word END at the end?

Name About XXXX words
Address
Email
Etc


Title

Awesome words go here.

End


e.g., what parts of this goes into the count? I'm guessing Title -> last word before END, but would love it if someone knew for sure.


If you are using headers (and you should be), then it's not going to count your title, because your title is in the header. And you don't have to highlight anything, just click on word count. I am quite sure it's going to count The End as two words in that total, because it's in the body of text, and is not in a footer. Round to your nearest hundred--it looks amateurish to say 5761 words, instead say, about 5800 words. A few guidelines do say they want the exact total--flash markets are very concerned you stay under their max.

Under Title, I assume you have your byline and just neglected to enter it.

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Re: Word Counts

Postby MattDovey » Tue Jan 02, 2018 1:09 pm

I always go from the first word to the last word, without header or title, then work out how many # section breaks there are and subtract it, because I can't bring myself to be vague and approximate. But nearly every market just asks for "rounded to the nearest 100", so it doesn't really matter too much either way, I don't think.
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Re: Word Counts

Postby Funny » Mon Oct 01, 2018 12:36 am

Thanks for the A2A.

Standard word count for a full-length fiction manuscript: 80,000 words.

Exception: the fantasy genre, where word counts in the 100,000-word territory are not unusual.

Standard word count for a full-length non-fiction manuscript: 50,000 words.

Exceptions: Inspirational self-help (with a few lines per page), coffee table books where the focus is the images, recipe books, and any non-fiction project where a 50,000-word manuscript simply hurts the structure or doesn’t make sense.

Short answer: Yes, it matters. Here’s why.

Traditional publishers and literary agents will be put off by extremely high (or low) word counts. Whether you’re 30,000 words over or under the standard word count for your manuscript’s genre, this usually indicates that the book will need heavy line editing, a rigorous developmental edit, or both.

Service publishers (reputable ones, at least), will tell you right away that a bloated word count means you'll lose out on your author profits when using POD (print-on-demand) to fulfill your book orders. Similarly, a very low word count might mean disappointing your readers with a plot that’s not fully fleshed out. In both scenarios, you can still publish. However, you’ll be hurting yourself in the long run — and you'll discover is it possible to write a 10 page paper in one night whether it’s a matter of less profit per book, or major issues with plot, character development, setting, and so on.

If you’re self-publishing, lower profit margins (due to higher print costs) will still be a concern, as will the quality of the manuscript.

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Re: Word Counts

Postby vjalrik » Tue Oct 02, 2018 1:53 pm

MattDovey wrote:I always go from the first word to the last word, without header or title, then work out how many # section breaks there are and subtract it, because I can't bring myself to be vague and approximate. But nearly every market just asks for "rounded to the nearest 100", so it doesn't really matter too much either way, I don't think.

I've always gone first word to last word as well, but without subtracting out the section breaks. My rationale was that they're analogous to chapter headings, which I thought should count toward the word count, but now that I think about it that would probably mean I should count the title too.... So yeah, round to the nearest 100 :) Or accept that whatever number you put might be off by that much anyway, depending on how they're counting.
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