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Re: Analog Submissions

Postby LDWriter2 » Sat Jun 01, 2013 2:33 pm

Two part rant at Analog,


Thought about sending Analog another story even though they haven't judged my last story yet----which leads to Rant 1 Boy, it's taking the new people a very long to time with that learning curve, almost seems like they had to go over it a second time or they are working one day a week.

By the time they read the new story in two to five months the old one will be forgotten so they won't realize I sent in another story before they rejected that one, if they are concerned with that by this time.



Rant Two: Their submissions software most know my computer. I clicked on New Submission and my name and Old E-mail address are already listed. With no way to change the E-mail address, which means that unless I want to go through the same routine where they can't contact me I can't submit.

Maybe try another computer but I would have to transfer the story to that computer.
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Postby Martin L. Shoemaker » Sat Jun 01, 2013 2:47 pm

LDWriter2 wrote:By the time they read the new story in two to five months the old one will be forgotten so they won't realize I sent in another story before they rejected that one, if they are concerned with that by this time.


They aren't. I'm very sure of that. Brad convinced me. He said he makes sure to space them out by a month, but he never hesitates to put multiple stories in their queue. He has 8 sales there, so I think it doesn't matter (though he did say Stan told him not to submit more frequently than once per month).

Rant Two: Their submissions software most know my computer. I clicked on New Submission and my name and Old E-mail address are already listed. With no way to change the E-mail address, which means that unless I want to go through the same routine where they can't contact me I can't submit.

Maybe try another computer but I would have to transfer the story to that computer.


What browser are you using? I'm pretty sure that has to be due to a browser cache or cookie. On Internet Explorer, CTRL+F5 will clear your cache for that page and refresh. I'm not sure how to clear it for other browsers.
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Re: Analog Submissions

Postby LDWriter2 » Sat Jun 01, 2013 2:52 pm

Martin L. Shoemaker wrote:
LDWriter2 wrote:By the time they read the new story in two to five months the old one will be forgotten so they won't realize I sent in another story before they rejected that one, if they are concerned with that by this time.


They aren't. I'm very sure of that. Brad convinced me. He said he makes sure to space them out by a month, but he never hesitates to put multiple stories in their queue. He has 8 sales there, so I think it doesn't matter (though he did say Stan told him not to submit more frequently than once per month).

Rant Two: Their submissions software most know my computer. I clicked on New Submission and my name and Old E-mail address are already listed. With no way to change the E-mail address, which means that unless I want to go through the same routine where they can't contact me I can't submit.

Maybe try another computer but I would have to transfer the story to that computer.


What browser are you using? I'm pretty sure that has to be due to a browser cache or cookie. On Internet Explorer, CTRL+F5 will clear your cache for that page and refresh. I'm not sure how to clear it for other browsers.



Thanks for the response.

I used to send in a story couple of weeks--at times--but with this new method I wondered if they were watching for multiple submissions more.

But I always clear the cookies after each online visit. Unless.... By right back.


OH, Duh.

I checked on the status of my story using their E-mail link then I went to the new submission's page. There's a link to it on the status page. So using that link in their E-mail told the software who I was. Anyway; clearing the cookies took care of that. So I'll be sending my story in a minute. Actually, I planned to send a story two weeks ago I just now was able to remember to do it.
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Re: Analog Submissions

Postby Hellstrom » Mon Jun 03, 2013 2:58 pm

Oh man, I just submitted a story to Analog based on their estimated 5 week time frame. When I submitted it, the page told me it could take from 2 to 6 weeks. Bummer if it takes months and months.

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Postby bobsandiego » Mon Jun 03, 2013 3:08 pm

Hellstrom wrote:Oh man, I just submitted a story to Analog based on their estimated 5 week time frame. When I submitted it, the page told me it could take from 2 to 6 weeks. Bummer if it takes months and months.

Best thing to do in this biz is forget the submission once they are out the door and work on the next.
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Re: Analog Submissions

Postby Hellstrom » Mon Jun 03, 2013 7:42 pm

bobsandiego wrote:
Hellstrom wrote:Oh man, I just submitted a story to Analog based on their estimated 5 week time frame. When I submitted it, the page told me it could take from 2 to 6 weeks. Bummer if it takes months and months.

Best thing to do in this biz is forget the submission once they are out the door and work on the next.
It's the waiting that is the hardest part.


Oh, I agree for sure. Already working on a new one. But I read that Clarkesworld gets back to you in 2 days and wish I'd sent it there first. Of course, if Analog accepts it, I'd be all like wotf010

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Re: Analog Submissions

Postby Jackie B. » Tue Jun 04, 2013 8:39 pm

Don't get your hopes up for a fast response from Analog...I subbed on March 2nd and it is still just registering as "received." I basically forget about it for weeks at a time. Response will come when it comes I suppose. wotf017
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Re: Analog Submissions

Postby carpozo » Wed Jun 05, 2013 8:19 am

Hi everyone!

I submitted 5 months ago. It's only 1,000 words long. It's still mark "received." What does the category change to when they read it? Does it go to straight rejection or under review as Asimov Magazine?

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Re: Analog Submissions

Postby s_c_baker » Wed Jun 05, 2013 8:51 am

carpozo wrote:Hi everyone!

I submitted 5 months ago. It's only 1,000 words long. It's still mark "received." What does the category change to when they read it? Does it go to straight rejection or under review as Asimov Magazine?

I don't believe they share submissions between the two magazines, for whatever that's worth. My only responded-to submission to Asimov's went straight to "rejected." wotf019

If their system is like Submittable, something like "in progress" might also show up if you pass that first hurdle.
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Re: Analog Submissions

Postby bobsandiego » Wed Jun 05, 2013 9:49 am

DAMN! wotf020
I've run into a spot of trouble and need advise.
One of my Semi-finalist pieces I submitted to Analog. But for whatever reason I never rcv'd the confirmation email from Analog about the submission. I've searched my email folders and it simply wasn't there. So I though I was mistaken in my memory and hadn't submitted to Analog. I then turned around and submitted to another market.
Today, I used another rejected ID from analog to see what stories have I sent them and low and behold there's the Semi-Finalist piece, reported as rcv'd and apparently under consideration. (110 days so far.)
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Postby Brad R. Torgersen » Wed Jun 05, 2013 10:55 am

Bob, if you want to PM me a short little note to Trevor Quachri, I will pass it on to him. He won't mind. It was an honest predicament. Probably you can keep the story in both slush piles. Whoever responds with a "YES" first, gets the story I guess? But Trevor will appreciate it if you let him know what happened.
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Re: Analog Submissions

Postby hazlett » Thu Jun 06, 2013 7:13 pm

Martin L. Shoemaker wrote:
LDWriter2 wrote:By the time they read the new story in two to five months the old one will be forgotten so they won't realize I sent in another story before they rejected that one, if they are concerned with that by this time.


They aren't. I'm very sure of that. Brad convinced me. He said he makes sure to space them out by a month, but he never hesitates to put multiple stories in their queue. He has 8 sales there, so I think it doesn't matter (though he did say Stan told him not to submit more frequently than once per month).

Rant Two: Their submissions software most know my computer. I clicked on New Submission and my name and Old E-mail address are already listed. With no way to change the E-mail address, which means that unless I want to go through the same routine where they can't contact me I can't submit.

Maybe try another computer but I would have to transfer the story to that computer.


What browser are you using? I'm pretty sure that has to be due to a browser cache or cookie. On Internet Explorer, CTRL+F5 will clear your cache for that page and refresh. I'm not sure how to clear it for other browsers.


This has to be the most valuable piece of intel I've seen on Analog in a long time. I've only ever submitted 3 stories there because they sit and sit...and sit...and sit for months. If I'd known I could have submitted a story a month, I could have submitted 4x as many stories by now. Heck, Analog never even saw the two stories I sold.

I'm off to make another submission...

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Re: Analog Submissions

Postby LDWriter2 » Thu Jun 06, 2013 9:03 pm

I used to do that for all the major magazines. Send in a story every couple of weeks that is. I was told that they usually don't remember a writer's name in the beginning. Too many other names and usually the writing isn't that impressive. Notice I said usually, there are of course exceptions. MIne of course wasn't one of them.

Internet submission can change that though because they get the submission a lot quicker. Some of the newer markets--like Lightspeed--are more insistive on not doing that.
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Re: Analog Submissions

Postby DavidK » Fri Jun 07, 2013 8:44 pm

carpozo wrote:Hi everyone!

I submitted 5 months ago. It's only 1,000 words long. It's still mark "received." What does the category change to when they read it? Does it go to straight rejection or under review as Asimov Magazine?



ICarpoz, I wouldn't worry ... have a piece out with Analog that siting at 140 days, so that's not quite 5 months, but the good news is it's STILL there ... there are a number of submissions that get rejected before then, so perhaps it being in so long *might* mean it isn't half bad -- even if it might not necessarily get anywhere ?
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Postby ThomasKCarpenter » Sat Jun 08, 2013 5:17 am

DavidK wrote:
carpozo wrote:Hi everyone!

I submitted 5 months ago. It's only 1,000 words long. It's still mark "received." What does the category change to when they read it? Does it go to straight rejection or under review as Asimov Magazine?



ICarpoz, I wouldn't worry ... have a piece out with Analog that siting at 140 days, so that's not quite 5 months, but the good news is it's STILL there ... there are a number of submissions that get rejected before then, so perhaps it being in so long *might* mean it isn't half bad -- even if it might not necessarily get anywhere ?


Received = Analog has it but hasn't looked at it.

It'll switch to "Under Review" if they're reading it.

For the data miners out there, I just got a rejection from Analog at 215 days a few days ago. So don't hold your collective breaths for results from Trevor anytime soon.
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Re: Analog Submissions

Postby hazlett » Sat Jun 08, 2013 7:53 am

DavidK wrote:
carpozo wrote:Hi everyone!

I submitted 5 months ago. It's only 1,000 words long. It's still mark "received." What does the category change to when they read it? Does it go to straight rejection or under review as Asimov Magazine?



ICarpoz, I wouldn't worry ... have a piece out with Analog that siting at 140 days, so that's not quite 5 months, but the good news is it's STILL there ... there are a number of submissions that get rejected before then, so perhaps it being in so long *might* mean it isn't half bad -- even if it might not necessarily get anywhere ?


I'm not as optimistic. My theory is that Analog and Asimov's don't put the manuscripts of established writers in the slush pile. They look at them first, and accept or reject them as necessary. I've heard anecdotally from some established writers that many markets do this. For instance, can you imagine a magazine sitting on a submission from Stephen King for five months? I don't think so.
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Postby Martin L. Shoemaker » Sat Jun 08, 2013 8:57 am

hazlett wrote:I'm not as optimistic. My theory is that Analog and Asimov's don't put the manuscripts of established writers in the slush pile. They look at them first, and accept or reject them as necessary. I've heard anecdotally from some established writers that many markets do this. For instance, can you imagine a magazine sitting on a submission from Stephen King for five months? I don't think so.


While I don't have the numbers handy, my responses from Analog seem to be roughly a month ahead of the pack since making my first sale there. I'm still in the slush; but I don't think Trevor's reading the slush strictly in order. In at least one case, he read two of my stories in reverse order of when I submitted them, so it's not even entirely about who the author is.
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Re: Analog Submissions

Postby Hellstrom » Sat Jun 08, 2013 9:04 am

Kind of disappointing that they say the average is 5 weeks for a response, but apparently don't get back to people for many months. In fact, when I submitted it said something about 2 to 6 weeks.

Maybe if the writing is really bad, or the story is not within their guidelines, they put in into a long term queue to discourage the author from submitting again. Just a paranoid thought. wotf004

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Re: Analog Submissions

Postby carpozo » Sat Jun 08, 2013 9:11 am

Thank you guys for the inf. I guess I got a long way to go.

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Re: Analog Submissions

Postby carpozo » Sat Jun 08, 2013 9:23 am

I think they have two queue. It depends on the length. It's the reason they asked for word counts when you submit. Unless there is another reason.

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Postby E.CaimanSands » Sat Jun 08, 2013 1:35 pm

My entirely unscientific opinion:

Many mags read submissions by established pros first, and decide whether to accept or reject relatively quickly.

For everyone else, it goes like this:
1. Slush reader/editor reads the story, doesn't think it's right, rejects it (vast majority of subs)
2. Editor reads the story, absolutely loves it, buys it straightaway (the least likely scenario, though probably more common lower down the food chain)
3. Editor reads it, likes it, would like to publish it, but realistically there probably won't be room in the magazine once Brad Freakin' Torgesen et al have had all their freakin' stories squeezed in. For commercial reasons known writers will always have priority if all else is equal. So the poor story sits on top of the radiator for an issue or two, maybe for three issues, or four, or... wotf018 Maybe one day someone finds it from where it slipped behind the back of said heating appliance three years previously, dusting the cobwebs off, finally sending it back to its place of origin with a shiny form rejection attached. wotf013
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Postby s_c_baker » Sat Jun 08, 2013 2:38 pm

SFWA has an interesting (if a bit dated now) look at one manuscript's journey from mailing to publication: http://www.sfwa.org/2009/06/the-sobering-saga-of-myrtle-the-manuscript/ (It dates from 1991, so things are likely a bit different now, but probably not THAT different...)
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Re: Analog Submissions

Postby Strycher » Sat Jun 08, 2013 3:15 pm

Hellstrom wrote:Kind of disappointing that they say the average is 5 weeks for a response, but apparently don't get back to people for many months. In fact, when I submitted it said something about 2 to 6 weeks.

Maybe if the writing is really bad, or the story is not within their guidelines, they put in into a long term queue to discourage the author from submitting again. Just a paranoid thought. wotf004


It is disappointing and there are a lot of markets that don't keep to their projected response times. The response time for Analog is ridiculously long right now, but that's largely because they changed editors*. I think the idea is that eventually they'll get back down to their projected response times. Personally, I think a note on their guidelines pointing out that they're wading through a backlog is in order.

*Haven't we had this conversation in this thread before?

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Postby E.CaimanSands » Sat Jun 08, 2013 3:43 pm

s_c_baker wrote:SFWA has an interesting (if a bit dated now) look at one manuscript's journey from mailing to publication: http://www.sfwa.org/2009/06/the-sobering-saga-of-myrtle-the-manuscript/ (It dates from 1991, so things are likely a bit different now, but probably not THAT different...)


Judging by the state of my submissions lately I would guess things are much the same. wotf012
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Postby LDWriter2 » Sat Jun 08, 2013 4:58 pm

Back a few years ago, when most pro markets still wanted all paper submissions, Dean Wesley Smith said that pro writers were given a special E-mail address to send their stories to. Every one else had to send in paper submissions and they didn't advertise this fact. It sounded like when you reached the right level they would send you an invitation.

I said they didn't advertise it but two markets did. I believe it was Weird Tales which stated in a longer set of guidelines they sent out in a PDF file that certain writers could send in stories via E-mail. I'm afraid one day I read over those guidelines a little fast, while double checking something else, and thought they now took E-mail submitted stories. After a pointed comment on the rejection I received I went back and read the rest the of paragraph. Took them a while to get to that point but they did.


I can't recall the other market but their guidelines stated some writers could send in stories another way and those writers knew who they were.


Now with most markets taking internet submissions of one type or another there are probably still special routes for Pros. Maybe still certain E-mail addresses even though every one else has to use the non E-mail methods. Maybe the name of the pro is in bold so it can recognized quicker. wotf017 wotf007
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Re: Analog Submissions

Postby LDWriter2 » Sat Jun 08, 2013 5:03 pm

Martin L. Shoemaker wrote:
hazlett wrote:I'm not as optimistic. My theory is that Analog and Asimov's don't put the manuscripts of established writers in the slush pile. They look at them first, and accept or reject them as necessary. I've heard anecdotally from some established writers that many markets do this. For instance, can you imagine a magazine sitting on a submission from Stephen King for five months? I don't think so.


While I don't have the numbers handy, my responses from Analog seem to be roughly a month ahead of the pack since making my first sale there. I'm still in the slush; but I don't think Trevor's reading the slush strictly in order. In at least one case, he read two of my stories in reverse order of when I submitted them, so it's not even entirely about who the author is.



I know at F&SF that last has happened to me three times over the years. But there is no way of knowing if the late story was lost for a while or if it was sent up to the next level before rejection or the usual assistant editor just wanted to hold it for a while. Well, come to think of it there is a way to know it wasn't the second choice. The name's are always the usual editors. In which none of mine have gone up to the next level.
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Re: Analog Submissions

Postby LDWriter2 » Sat Jun 08, 2013 5:10 pm

Strycher wrote:
Hellstrom wrote:Kind of disappointing that they say the average is 5 weeks for a response, but apparently don't get back to people for many months. In fact, when I submitted it said something about 2 to 6 weeks.

Maybe if the writing is really bad, or the story is not within their guidelines, they put in into a long term queue to discourage the author from submitting again. Just a paranoid thought. wotf004


It is disappointing and there are a lot of markets that don't keep to their projected response times. The response time for Analog is ridiculously long right now, but that's largely because they changed editors*. I think the idea is that eventually they'll get back down to their projected response times. Personally, I think a note on their guidelines pointing out that they're wading through a backlog is in order.

*Haven't we had this conversation in this thread before?


Yeah, we have. That is why I said in my note that their learning curve is very slow.

Back before Mr. Schmidt retired Analog had increased their turn around. I was getting back stories in about half the time. Of course by then every one who should probably knew my writing so that may have made a difference. But starting with the last story I sent to Mr. Schmidt, which was at least two months before his last day, it's been taking a whole lot longer. And as far as I can tell still no speed up, even by a week.
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Re: Analog Submissions

Postby hazlett » Sat Jun 08, 2013 6:58 pm

Martin L. Shoemaker wrote:
hazlett wrote:I'm not as optimistic. My theory is that Analog and Asimov's don't put the manuscripts of established writers in the slush pile. They look at them first, and accept or reject them as necessary. I've heard anecdotally from some established writers that many markets do this. For instance, can you imagine a magazine sitting on a submission from Stephen King for five months? I don't think so.


While I don't have the numbers handy, my responses from Analog seem to be roughly a month ahead of the pack since making my first sale there. I'm still in the slush; but I don't think Trevor's reading the slush strictly in order. In at least one case, he read two of my stories in reverse order of when I submitted them, so it's not even entirely about who the author is.


Maybe they read their manuscript inventory with LIFO vs. FIFO accounting (i.e., Last In, First Out vs. First In, First Out).
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Re: Analog Submissions

Postby Martin L. Shoemaker » Sat Jun 08, 2013 7:01 pm

hazlett wrote:Maybe they read their manuscript inventory with LIFO vs. FIFO accounting (i.e., Last In, First Out vs. First In, First Out).


I wish! That would mean Trevor would be reading my rewrite right about now! I have high hopes for this version.
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Re: Analog Submissions

Postby s_c_baker » Sat Jun 08, 2013 7:05 pm

I don't think this has anything to do with a learning curve. Return time is slower than usual because changing editors requires a boat-load of behind-the-scenes work.
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