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Re: Almost Success - The "Mixed Feelings" Thread

Postby WriteToLive » Wed Jun 27, 2012 4:26 pm

In a bit of mixed news on a day which kind of turned out bleak to begin with, I got a rejection from Plasma Frequency. They liked my story, but rejected it because of the recent tragedy in Toronto. They were afraid it would strike a nerve.

Then, I get what may be a personal rejection from Analog today.

I'm sorry it didn't strike me as quite suitable to our present needs.


This is kind of funny because this story got an R from WotF when I snail-mailed my first submission.
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Re: Almost Success - The "Mixed Feelings" Thread

Postby Martin L. Shoemaker » Wed Jun 27, 2012 5:16 pm

WriteToLive wrote:In a bit of mixed news on a day which kind of turned out bleak to begin with, I got a rejection from Plasma Frequency. They liked my story, but rejected it because of the recent tragedy in Toronto. They were afraid it would strike a nerve.

Then, I get what may be a personal rejection from Analog today.

I'm sorry it didn't strike me as quite suitable to our present needs.


This is kind of funny because this story got an R from WotF when I snail-mailed my first submission.


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Postby LDWriter2 » Thu Jun 28, 2012 9:08 am

I wrote about one near miss--how near is up in the air--but I don't think I've mentioned one I received recently.

Part of that is because I'm not sure if it was their usual rejection or a personal comment. I've been fooled twice by a rejection that sounded personal but turned out to be a form. Even thoughthis one is kinda long for a form rejection.

It's from The Extreme Planets anthology. Nice friendly sounding and this sentence sounds personal "The authors liked your writing style, but the story didn't quite click, although I can say it received very positive support."

I would have sent them another but I couldn't get a story to gel right. I have two ideas for extreme plants but I can come up with only a partial plot for each, neither one I really like. That might be because I'm busy revising a novel and a story. But I have to Saturday to write one. Maybe a very short story. wotf007

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Postby LDWriter2 » Thu Jun 28, 2012 9:24 pm

Came to say that I may have another story to send after all. It might not be exactly what they want but it will give me a chance to see if that line I quoted is part of their form rejection. There's an online mag that has a form rejection that says you story was well responded to or some such.

The story is written and is very short. I will have to make some minute changes while I revise it but that's okay.
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Postby george nik. » Fri Jun 29, 2012 5:02 am

By the way, has anyone had any rejections from Apex (not Abyss&Apex, just Apex)? I was wondering what their form rejections look like.

In fact, they actually told me "I look forward to seeing further submissions from you" -- but was this personal or do they say it to everyone? When you've only got one rejection by a magazine it's sometimes difficult to assess their meaning.
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Postby Strycher » Fri Jun 29, 2012 5:11 am

george nik. wrote:By the way, has anyone had any rejections from Apex (not Abyss&Apex, just Apex)? I was wondering what their form rejections look like.

In fact, they actually told me "I look forward to seeing further submissions from you" -- but was this personal or do they say it to everyone? When you've only got one rejection by a magazine it's sometimes difficult to assess their meaning.


I don't think it sounds like a personal rejection--but it does at least sound like a higher tier form rejection.

I got a form reject from them that reads:

We regret to inform you that your story [story title] does not currently meet our needs. We're going to pass.


So, I would say that you got an almost success. wotf008

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Postby LDWriter2 » Fri Jun 29, 2012 12:51 pm

george nik. wrote:By the way, has anyone had any rejections from Apex (not Abyss&Apex, just Apex)? I was wondering what their form rejections look like.

In fact, they actually told me "I look forward to seeing further submissions from you" -- but was this personal or do they say it to everyone? When you've only got one rejection by a magazine it's sometimes difficult to assess their meaning.



I have, but I can't recall if I have gotten that one or not...it's been a while and only sent two or three stores to them.

But evidently when most magazines say that they mean it even if it is a form rejection. They saw something in the story and/or writing.
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Postby ThomasKCarpenter » Fri Jun 29, 2012 1:53 pm

george nik. wrote:By the way, has anyone had any rejections from Apex (not Abyss&Apex, just Apex)? I was wondering what their form rejections look like.

In fact, they actually told me "I look forward to seeing further submissions from you" -- but was this personal or do they say it to everyone? When you've only got one rejection by a magazine it's sometimes difficult to assess their meaning.


That is their next level up rejection. I've gotten some with that and some with "doesn't meet our needs" without any encouragement to send more. Hope that helps.
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Postby MJNL » Fri Jun 29, 2012 6:20 pm

george nik. wrote:By the way, has anyone had any rejections from Apex (not Abyss&Apex, just Apex)? I was wondering what their form rejections look like.

In fact, they actually told me "I look forward to seeing further submissions from you" -- but was this personal or do they say it to everyone? When you've only got one rejection by a magazine it's sometimes difficult to assess their meaning.


Aw, man, you're gonna make me pull out my old saying: Personal rejections are like orgasms--if you have to question it, you didn't get one.

But you did get a nice, encouraging upper R. Nothing wrong with that. wotf008
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Postby gower21 » Fri Jun 29, 2012 9:28 pm

MJNL wrote:[

Aw, man, you're gonna make me pull out my old saying: Personal rejections are like orgasms--if you have to question it, you didn't get one.

But you did get a nice, encouraging upper R. Nothing wrong with that. wotf008


I love that saying. We should be pulling out that saying a lot more.

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Postby george nik. » Sat Jun 30, 2012 1:09 am

Thanks for the feedback, guys.

Marina, I have to admit it didn't really feel like an orgasm.

Since I haven't had a professional publication yet, though, an upper R from Apex is as good as I've got so I'm not complaining. That's the spirit of the "almost success" thread, anyway. wotf008
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Postby Strycher » Tue Jul 03, 2012 7:24 am

Filing this here, hoping someone will have an answer for me:

I've asked to join Codex (writer's forum/workshop thingy, that you have to have either A) 1 pro sale, B) an established agent, or C) have attended an audition only writers workshop to join). I feel that's kind of a success, if I get in, since when I first heard about it, I wasn't eligible and I completely forgot it existed until recently.
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My question: How long does the application process take? Just curious.

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Postby greenroom » Tue Jul 03, 2012 8:04 am

Strycher wrote:Filing this here, hoping someone will have an answer for me:

I've asked to join Codex (writer's forum/workshop thingy, that you have to have either A) 1 pro sale, B) an established agent, or C) have attended an audition only writers workshop to join). I feel that's kind of a success, if I get in, since when I first heard about it, I wasn't eligible and I completely forgot it existed until recently.
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My question: How long does the application process take? Just curious.


In my case, not long. I sent my request on a Monday at 4PM pst, and had a response giving me access the next morning at 6:44am. But I'd assume it will depend on how busy Luc happens to be that week.
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Postby Rebecca Birch » Tue Jul 03, 2012 8:24 am

For my "almost success", I made it to the second round at Andromeda Spaceways, which is the farthest I've ever gotten there. I did get my rejection this morning, but it included some really insightful critiques, with one in particular that I believe would without a doubt make this a stronger story. I get a lot of critiques, and I have learned to pick and choose what works for the story fairly well (I think), so I don't go haring about re-writing all the time, but in this case, I think it's definitely worth a stab at it. There are still some markets I haven't submitted the thing to yet...
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Postby Strycher » Tue Jul 03, 2012 8:58 am

greenroom wrote:In my case, not long. I sent my request on a Monday at 4PM pst, and had a response giving me access the next morning at 6:44am. But I'd assume it will depend on how busy Luc happens to be that week.


Thanks!

And grats Rebecca!

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Postby morshana » Tue Jul 03, 2012 11:14 am

Yay, Rebecca!
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Postby s_c_baker » Tue Jul 10, 2012 4:54 pm

Nine just sent me a kind note to let me know my submission is in their second round.

This is my as-yet-unsaleable semi-finalist from December of last year, and Nine seems like a really neat new market (Ken Liu, among others, was in its first issue), so I'm super-excited.

And, of course, resigned for the inevitable "Your story was not as good as these other 9 stories. No hard feelings." email.
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Postby Rebecca Birch » Tue Jul 10, 2012 5:00 pm

s_c_baker wrote:Nine just sent me a kind note to let me know my submission is in their second round.

This is my as-yet-unsaleable semi-finalist from December of last year, and Nine seems like a really neat new market (Ken Liu, among others, was in its first issue), so I'm super-excited.

And, of course, resigned for the inevitable "Your story was not as good as these other 9 stories. No hard feelings." email.


Congrats and good luck!

I'm in the nail-biting nerves phase of waiting to hear back on my story in the final round at Penumbra for their September Native American Folklore issue. From what I can tell, they tend to hold a good number of stories to the final round, so I am fully anticipating the "not as good as these other (enter number here) stories response as well.
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Postby s_c_baker » Tue Jul 10, 2012 5:03 pm

Good luck to you as well, Rebecca! I got that e-mail from Penumbra for their fairy tale issue. wotf001
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Postby Martin L. Shoemaker » Tue Jul 10, 2012 5:26 pm

Congratulations, Stewart! Took the longest time to see your message. For some reason it refused to download.

And congratulations, Rebecca!
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Postby E.CaimanSands » Wed Jul 11, 2012 4:37 am

I'm in the second round at Penumbra again too, I forget the theme now. Been there a while. wotf017
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Postby Rebecca Birch » Wed Jul 11, 2012 7:28 am

E.CaimanSands wrote:I'm in the second round at Penumbra again too, I forget the theme now. Been there a while. wotf017


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Postby Martin L. Shoemaker » Fri Jul 13, 2012 2:08 pm

Nothing mixed here, but it IS almost success!

Dear Martin,

“Not Close Enough” is engaging and inspiring once it gets going, but that takes too long to happen. The first sections are rather slow, with excessive use of flashbacks and author explanation. If you can tighten and streamline those, I’d be very interested in another look at the result. (And while you’re at it, please watch out for unnecessary repetition of words close together, which tends to call excessive attention to itself.)

Sincerely,
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Postby s_c_baker » Fri Jul 13, 2012 2:12 pm

Martin L. Shoemaker wrote:Nothing mixed here, but it IS almost success!

Dear Martin,

“Not Close Enough” is engaging and inspiring once it gets going, but that takes too long to happen. The first sections are rather slow, with excessive use of flashbacks and author explanation. If you can tighten and streamline those, I’d be very interested in another look at the result. (And while you’re at it, please watch out for unnecessary repetition of words close together, which tends to call excessive attention to itself.)

Sincerely,
Stanley Schmidt


REWRITE REQUEST FROM ANALOG!!!!! Now I know why Brad is Freakin': after news like this, Freakin' is what I'm doing! I am now off the forum until I get this rewrite done (with the exception that I'll respond to any more Relay for Life donations).

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Dare you to respond with
Dear Mr Schmidt,

[enthusiastic fanboyism here]

By the way, thanks for your kind example of repetition. The way you used the word "excessive" twice in that short paragraph really drove home your point.

wotf001

No, seriously, though. Awwwwwwwwesooooooome!!!! wotf010
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Postby E.CaimanSands » Fri Jul 13, 2012 2:46 pm

Martin L. Shoemaker wrote:Nothing mixed here, but it IS almost success!

Dear Martin,

“Not Close Enough” is engaging and inspiring once it gets going, but that takes too long to happen. The first sections are rather slow, with excessive use of flashbacks and author explanation. If you can tighten and streamline those, I’d be very interested in another look at the result. (And while you’re at it, please watch out for unnecessary repetition of words close together, which tends to call excessive attention to itself.)

Sincerely,
Stanley Schmidt


REWRITE REQUEST FROM ANALOG!!!!! Now I know why Brad is Freakin': after news like this, Freakin' is what I'm doing! I am now off the forum until I get this rewrite done (with the exception that I'll respond to any more Relay for Life donations).

WRITE! WRITE! WRITE! WRITE! WRITE!
SUBMIT! SUBMIT! SUBMIT! SUBMIT! SUBMIT!
REPEAT! REPEAT! REPEAT! REPEAT! REPEAT!
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62 days.


I'm gonna say it again. AWESOME! wotf006 wotf007 wotf001 wotf009

As for the slow beginning...
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Postby Strycher » Fri Jul 13, 2012 2:47 pm

Martin L. Shoemaker wrote:Nothing mixed here, but it IS almost success!

Dear Martin,

“Not Close Enough” is engaging and inspiring once it gets going, but that takes too long to happen. The first sections are rather slow, with excessive use of flashbacks and author explanation. If you can tighten and streamline those, I’d be very interested in another look at the result. (And while you’re at it, please watch out for unnecessary repetition of words close together, which tends to call excessive attention to itself.)

Sincerely,
Stanley Schmidt


REWRITE REQUEST FROM ANALOG!!!!!


wotf015 That's fantastic! Good job Martin!

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Postby austinDm » Fri Jul 13, 2012 4:04 pm

Strycher wrote:
Martin L. Shoemaker wrote:Nothing mixed here, but it IS almost success!

Dear Martin,

“Not Close Enough” is engaging and inspiring once it gets going, but that takes too long to happen. The first sections are rather slow, with excessive use of flashbacks and author explanation. If you can tighten and streamline those, I’d be very interested in another look at the result. (And while you’re at it, please watch out for unnecessary repetition of words close together, which tends to call excessive attention to itself.)

Sincerely,
Stanley Schmidt


REWRITE REQUEST FROM ANALOG!!!!!


wotf015 That's fantastic! Good job Martin!


Wow, Congrats!

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Postby LDWriter2 » Fri Jul 13, 2012 6:40 pm

Rebecca Birch wrote:
E.CaimanSands wrote:I'm in the second round at Penumbra again too, I forget the theme now. Been there a while. wotf017


Congrats and good luck!



Niiice. Good going.


I just sent them a piece for the first time...they sent it back, too many words. (slapsforehead) I knew that, somehow I got ahead of myself.
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Postby Dustin Adams » Sat Jul 14, 2012 1:50 am

Dare you to respond with
Dear Mr Schmidt,

[enthusiastic fanboyism here]

By the way, thanks for your kind example of repetition. The way you used the word "excessive" twice in that short paragraph really drove home your point.

Stewart, you are killing me! (insert ROFL smilie here.)

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Postby gower21 » Fri Jul 27, 2012 4:31 am

I did get a personal rejections that was pretty extensive on a story. It had comments from all the editors and had made it to the top round of considerations, but they didn't like the ending I think is what it comes down to. This was the second market I sent it too and this is the second personal rejection. It seems it is a very interesting concept, but I need to rethink the direction I choose to lead to the ending.


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