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WOTF simultaneous submissions

Postby Jason Parker » Thu Jul 07, 2016 7:07 pm

Is it fair to say both Writers of the Future and Intergalactic Medicine Show accept simultaneous submissions? I don't see where it restricts simultaneous submissions on either submission page.

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Re: WOTF simultaneous submissions

Postby MattDovey » Fri Jul 08, 2016 1:42 am

I've never thought that of either of them. The Submissions Grinder lists both as not accepting simsubs.

I assume "no simsubs, no multisubs" as the default, to be honest, as it's such a commonly held position, and there's little to gain (a publication three months sooner than otherwise) and a lot to lose (blacklisted from a market).

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Re: WOTF simultaneous submissions

Postby morshana » Fri Jul 08, 2016 3:16 am

If you're concerned with the amount of time that WOTF might have your submission, you can submit towards the end of a quarter, rather than the start. wotf017 That's what I do.
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Re: WOTF simultaneous submissions

Postby Jason Parker » Fri Jul 08, 2016 3:27 am

MattDovey wrote:I've never thought that of either of them. The Submissions Grinder lists both as not accepting simsubs.

I assume "no simsubs, no multisubs" as the default, to be honest, as it's such a commonly held position, and there's little to gain (a publication three months sooner than otherwise) and a lot to lose (blacklisted from a market).

Is there a particular rush?


I'll take any advantage I can get wotf011

I'd love to get my career going three months sooner. Bills to pay, wife nagging me, etc.

The problem: I haven't been able to get agents to look at my manuscripts. I figure I need some more cred, a published story in IGMS or WOTF for instance. I figure that way I can't be ignored, at least not as much.

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Re: WOTF simultaneous submissions

Postby Jason Parker » Fri Jul 08, 2016 3:36 am

morshana wrote:If you're concerned with the amount of time that WOTF might have your submission, you can submit towards the end of a quarter, rather than the start. wotf017 That's what I do.


Nice strategy.

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Re: WOTF simultaneous submissions

Postby morshana » Fri Jul 08, 2016 3:52 am

Jason Parker wrote:
MattDovey wrote:I've never thought that of either of them. The Submissions Grinder lists both as not accepting simsubs.

I assume "no simsubs, no multisubs" as the default, to be honest, as it's such a commonly held position, and there's little to gain (a publication three months sooner than otherwise) and a lot to lose (blacklisted from a market).

Is there a particular rush?


I'll take any advantage I can get wotf011

I'd love to get my career going three months sooner. Bills to pay, wife nagging me, etc.

The problem: I haven't been able to get agents to look at my manuscripts. I figure I need some more cred, a published story in IGMS or WOTF for instance. I figure that way I can't be ignored, at least not as much.


If you're having to query people first for your manuscripts and having trouble getting a bite, you could try out Dean Smith's online workshop for writing more effective sales copy. Or a book on writing sales copy?
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Re: WOTF simultaneous submissions

Postby Jason Parker » Fri Jul 08, 2016 4:21 am

morshana wrote:
Jason Parker wrote:
MattDovey wrote:I've never thought that of either of them. The Submissions Grinder lists both as not accepting simsubs.

I assume "no simsubs, no multisubs" as the default, to be honest, as it's such a commonly held position, and there's little to gain (a publication three months sooner than otherwise) and a lot to lose (blacklisted from a market).

Is there a particular rush?


I'll take any advantage I can get wotf011

I'd love to get my career going three months sooner. Bills to pay, wife nagging me, etc.

The problem: I haven't been able to get agents to look at my manuscripts. I figure I need some more cred, a published story in IGMS or WOTF for instance. I figure that way I can't be ignored, at least not as much.


If you're having to query people first for your manuscripts and having trouble getting a bite, you could try out Dean Smith's online workshop for writing more effective sales copy. Or a book on writing sales copy?


I actually write sales copy for a living. Been doing it full-time since 2009. That's how I know I need more credibility, proof elements. Over the years I've learned that a strong proof element is GOLD because it can't be manufactured by a copywriter. It's best when you couple a powerful proof element with a powerful promise. A powerful promise alone rolls off a prospect like water off a duck's back. The two, powerful promise and powerful proof, must be joined at the hip.

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Re: WOTF simultaneous submissions

Postby Jason Parker » Fri Jul 08, 2016 4:32 am

I think I'll play it safe and assume both WOTF and IGMS forgot to put "no simultaneous submissions" on their submission pages.

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Re: WOTF simultaneous submissions

Postby morshana » Fri Jul 08, 2016 4:32 am

Jason Parker wrote:
I actually write sales copy for a living. Been doing it full-time since 2009. That's how I know I need more credibility, proof elements. Over the years I've learned that a strong proof element is GOLD because it can't be manufactured by a copywriter. It's best when you couple a powerful proof element with a powerful promise. A powerful promise alone rolls off a prospect like water off a duck's back. The two, powerful promise and powerful proof, must be joined at the hip.


Ahh. I think I remember you mentioning that in another thread, about the sales copy writing. Then all you can do is keep submitting, like the rest of us. wotf007 Have you checked out Submission Grinder? You can look up all the pro paying markets there.
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Re: WOTF simultaneous submissions

Postby Jason Parker » Fri Jul 08, 2016 4:34 am

morshana wrote:
Jason Parker wrote:
I actually write sales copy for a living. Been doing it full-time since 2009. That's how I know I need more credibility, proof elements. Over the years I've learned that a strong proof element is GOLD because it can't be manufactured by a copywriter. It's best when you couple a powerful proof element with a powerful promise. A powerful promise alone rolls off a prospect like water off a duck's back. The two, powerful promise and powerful proof, must be joined at the hip.


Ahh. I think I remember you mentioning that in another thread, about the sales copy writing. Then all you can do is keep submitting, like the rest of us. wotf007 Have you checked out Submission Grinder? You can look up all the pro paying markets there.


Submission Grinder. Yep. Y'all told me about it the other day. I appreciate it! wotf007

Good luck with your 4th quarter submission.

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Re: WOTF simultaneous submissions

Postby LaurieG » Fri Jul 08, 2016 4:51 am

And the Submission Grinder was created by our own David Steffen. wotf007

He used to hang out on the forum a lot, at least until he pro's out of WOTF.
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Re: WOTF simultaneous submissions

Postby Jason Parker » Fri Jul 08, 2016 5:11 am

LaurieG wrote:And the Submission Grinder was created by our own David Steffen. wotf007

He used to hang out on the forum a lot, at least until he pro's out of WOTF.


Cool!

(BTW, I had to explain to my wife that if she sees an e-mail hit my phone that says "Grinder" then don't be alarmed).

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Re: WOTF simultaneous submissions

Postby morshana » Fri Jul 08, 2016 5:14 am

Jason Parker wrote:
morshana wrote:
Jason Parker wrote:
I actually write sales copy for a living. Been doing it full-time since 2009. That's how I know I need more credibility, proof elements. Over the years I've learned that a strong proof element is GOLD because it can't be manufactured by a copywriter. It's best when you couple a powerful proof element with a powerful promise. A powerful promise alone rolls off a prospect like water off a duck's back. The two, powerful promise and powerful proof, must be joined at the hip.


Ahh. I think I remember you mentioning that in another thread, about the sales copy writing. Then all you can do is keep submitting, like the rest of us. wotf007 Have you checked out Submission Grinder? You can look up all the pro paying markets there.


Submission Grinder. Yep. Y'all told me about it the other day. I appreciate it! wotf007

Good luck with your 4th quarter submission.


Thanks! Good luck to you, too!

Whoops! Didn't realize the Grinder had already been mentioned. wotf007
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Re: WOTF simultaneous submissions

Postby rharp » Mon Jul 18, 2016 7:02 pm

Jason Parker wrote:The problem: I haven't been able to get agents to look at my manuscripts. I figure I need some more cred, a published story in IGMS or WOTF for instance. I figure that way I can't be ignored, at least not as much.


For what it's worth, I learned a ton about query letters on Janet Reid's site. You may already know about it, but here's the link just in case: queryshark.blogspot.com.

I submitted my first novel manuscript a lot before I had "credits" and got some requests. It's true they help, but an amazing query letter can work until you get them. Don't discount smaller credits or contest wins. They can help for sure. And of course, keep submitting! Submit, write, submit, write some more is my motto. wotf001

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