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Re: Success!

Postby M. Wimmer » Mon Oct 25, 2010 11:17 am

I have a story in Daily Flash 2011, an anthology from Pill Hill Press. It's a for-the-love antho, but it was only a 400 word story and took me about a minute to write. Plus it's my first story to come out in book form.

http://www.pillhillpress.com/books.html

Also congrats to Dave. Bull Spec is an excellent market. It'll be SFWA pretty soon.

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Re: Success!

Postby steffenwolf » Mon Oct 25, 2010 11:51 am

M. Wimmer wrote:I have a story in Daily Flash 2011, an anthology from Pill Hill Press. It's a for-the-love antho, but it was only a 400 word story and took me about a minute to write. Plus it's my first story to come out in book form.

http://www.pillhillpress.com/books.html


Congrats! That Daily Flash anthology is a cool idea. I wonder if anyone actually will read it at one flash a day? I'd probably just read straight through. :P

Also congrats to Dave. Bull Spec is an excellent market. It'll be SFWA pretty soon.


Hopefully! When it does, my sale will be grandfathered in to become my first SFWA-qualifying sale. :)
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Re: Success!

Postby MJNL » Mon Oct 25, 2010 12:33 pm

Congrats on the anthology sale :) I bet it'll be nice to hold the book in your hand and be able to say, "Yup, I'm in here." Gotta love good old paper, ink, and glue.
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Re: Success!

Postby Brandlepack » Sat Oct 30, 2010 8:05 am

I haven't posted here in a while, for a good reason: I sold a trilogy! This is why my short story writing has dropped to zero and why I probably won't have time to enter the contest again (due to my schedule, not the WOTF rules). Good luck to all of you!!! Here's a link:

http://www.hachettebookgroup.com/books_ ... 179928.htm

First book is scheduled for mm-paperback and e-book release worldwide (in English) for August 2011.

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Re: Success!

Postby ThomasKCarpenter » Sat Oct 30, 2010 8:43 am

Grats on your sale! :)
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Re: Success!

Postby izanobu » Sat Oct 30, 2010 12:41 pm

Woohooo, Brandlepack! That's a good way to DQ for the contest. Good luck with your books :)

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Re: Success!

Postby soulmirror » Sat Oct 30, 2010 2:44 pm

Brandlepack wrote: I sold a trilogy! ... First book is scheduled for mm-paperback and e-book release worldwide (in English) for August 2011.


Trilogy!!! That's totally awesome x3 !!! Congratulations on that very impressive writer's coup !
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Re: Success!

Postby Jackie B. » Sat Oct 30, 2010 3:35 pm

Congrats!! You must be on cloud nine with that sale!
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Re: Success!

Postby JRTomlin » Sun Oct 31, 2010 10:02 pm

Hi. I haven't been around since I do almost nothing in the fantasy field any more but I do still have some fantasy out there. I suppose this is somewhat success. My co-authored novel Talon of the Raptor Clan is a finalist in for the 2011 Epic eBook Award (formerly the EPPIE).

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Re: Success!

Postby Patty » Mon Nov 01, 2010 12:09 am

Congrats, Joanne. I've heard about these EPPIE awards, but that's about all I know. What sort of books are entered/do you enter yourself. Only ebook or also print? Any particular nationality? Small press/self-published or both?

Just curious, because I've heard the name.

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Re: Success!

Postby Dame » Mon Nov 01, 2010 2:06 am

Well done to the novelists. Yeehah!

Hey Patty - I just saw you on the TOC for the Anywhere But Earth antho. I have a story there, too. It was accepted months and months ago - seems like I've been waiting forever - and there is still near on a year until it's published.
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Re: Success!

Postby JRTomlin » Mon Nov 01, 2010 9:22 am

Thanks, Patty. I assume we were entered by the publisher. There is an entry fee although it's not a huge one. I didn't even know it until I got the notice about being finalists.

I believe the rules state simply that the novel has to be available as an ebook. Talon of the Raptor Clan is both in print and ebook form. There is no limit on publisher size.

Congrats on the first place!

Edit: They have separate categories for different genres and I think they pretty much cover all the genres. No limit on nationality but the work must be in English.
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Re: Success!

Postby Patty » Mon Nov 01, 2010 2:37 pm

@Joanne thanks for explaining. This one's had me mystified for a while.

@Damon yes I'm in ABE, with a story that's had an interesting history. It got a HM here and I sent it around a few places. It was the only story that's ever earned me anything other than a standard rejection from Clarkesworld. When Keith first published the guidelines for this anthology, I wanted to write a longer story for it. I wrote the story, but wasn't quite happy with it. By that time, Keith was accepting stuff left, right and centre. I really wanted something in that anthology, so this particular story became available, and I sent it. He accepted it. The longer story I finished eventually, and sent it on its first submission to WOTF. The rest is history.

Which goes to show that this submitting game is like playing dominoes.
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Re: Success!

Postby Dame » Mon Nov 01, 2010 3:56 pm

Heh. Cool! Looking forward to reading the antho a lot.
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Re: Success!

Postby Gwendolyn Clare » Thu Nov 04, 2010 8:43 am

The January issue of Asimov's is out (at least to subscribers -- I think it hits newsstands next week) with my story "Ashes on the Water" in it!

*bounce bounce bounce*

The part that really boggles the mind is sharing magazine space with writers like Kris Rusch and Elizabeth Bear.

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Re: Success!

Postby ThomasKCarpenter » Thu Nov 04, 2010 9:21 am

Nice job, Gwen.

I'll have to stop by the B&N and take a looksie. :)
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Re: Success!

Postby MJNL » Thu Nov 04, 2010 10:48 am

Oh, yay! I saw your name on the upcoming authors list in last month's issue and did a little girly squeal for you, lol. I need to go pick up a copy now that it's out :mrgreen:
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Re: Success!

Postby soulmirror » Thu Nov 04, 2010 1:37 pm

Gwendolyn Clare wrote:The January issue of Asimov's is out (at least to subscribers -- I think it hits newsstands next week) with my story "Ashes on the Water" in it!

*bounce bounce bounce*

The part that really boggles the mind is sharing magazine space with writers like Kris Rusch and Elizabeth Bear.


Exciting news! BIG congrats for you!
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Postby wswingley » Thu Nov 04, 2010 5:41 pm

Gwendolyn Clare wrote:The January issue of Asimov's is out (at least to subscribers -- I think it hits newsstands next week) with my story "Ashes on the Water" in it!

*bounce bounce bounce*

The part that really boggles the mind is sharing magazine space with writers like Kris Rusch and Elizabeth Bear.


Sorry, I don't check this side of the forum too often... but congrats! I'll definitely pick up your issue when I go to my regular B&N coffee relaxation time.
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Re: Success!

Postby Gwendolyn Clare » Fri Nov 05, 2010 2:04 pm

Thanks, guys!

Now I get to exchange my "I'll never be good enough to sell professionally" neurosis to an "I'll never write something that good again" neurosis.

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Re: Success!

Postby M.O.Muriel » Sat Nov 06, 2010 8:19 am

Oh wow, Gwendolyn!

You GO, girl! That is totally off the chart!!! <off to B&N very soon to check it out>


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Re: Success!

Postby Patty » Sat Nov 06, 2010 9:29 pm

I sent a story for Q4, and then had to withdraw it two days before the Q4 deadline, and had to submit a new story, all of which led to a mess which I'm thankful for Joni to help me sort out... only to find out that I didn't need the submission anymore a few days later (sheesh *grin*).

Well, the story I had to withdraw wasn't withdrawn without reason, because it's going to be published in the Universe Annex of the Grantville Gazette in January. I've just heard it's official.

:lol: :lol: :lol:
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Re: Success!

Postby izanobu » Sat Nov 06, 2010 11:18 pm

congrats, Patty!

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Re: Success!

Postby Patty » Sun Nov 07, 2010 12:37 am

I'm so incredibly excited about this. Both this story and my winner here were hard SF, the latest sale even more so. After years of hesitating about writing hard SF (people said it doesn't sell and I felt I couldn't do it because I'm no specialist in anything relating to space), there were two things that made me change my mind:

1. It's what I want to write, hang the publishing chances
2. Hearing at Worldcon that Kim Stanley Robinson, who's frequently cited as being the writer of a blueprint for human settlement on Mars, has a degree in... English
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Re: Success!

Postby soulmirror » Sun Nov 07, 2010 1:51 am

Patty wrote:1. It's what I want to write, hang the publishing chances


Well, it's good we can write where our passion is! Maybe everytime an editor turns down a story or novel just because it's "hard SF" (for instance) that's a "hard SF" audience that goes unsatisfied and goes looking elsewhere ... and goes on to reward the writer who finally "gives them what they want!"

I was listening to a video about entrepeneurship a while back, by Todd Macfarlane (however it's spelled; he created SPAWN and a huge industry of very cool SF and Fantasy "action figures") and his main point was "Hit them (the competition) where they ain't" :) --

He knew he couldn't compete against the giant corporations for kids' action figures (or the mass market) ... but he saw an unfulfilled niche market in fans of SF / fantasy / horror. And that NICHE was enough to make him very (very!) successful indeed.

Sometimes we think we need to service some huge "mass audience" -- when really to be happy and successful we just need to (as you've said) do what WE LOVE doing -- and finding the audience who loves it too.

If "most" of the editors or publishers turn away from a genre, that just makes that genre a better target for us to 'hit 'em where they ain't" -- to SERVE an unserved or underserved, hungry niche audience.
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Re: Success!

Postby Patty » Sun Nov 07, 2010 1:42 pm

It was funny you should say that, because when I was editing an issue of the magazine recently, there were loads of SF submissions with rather daft settings. I mean daft in the most friendly way. Daft can work, but it's not realistic, and wasn't meant to be realistic, ever.

What was missing from the mix was SF that made an attempt at being realistic, and good old-fashioned fantasy. The latest crazes are urban fantasy and weird SF. Many writers seem to be following these trends off the cliff like lemmings.
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Re: Success!

Postby Sam Hidaka » Sun Nov 07, 2010 5:24 pm

Patty wrote:... After years of hesitating about writing hard SF (people said it doesn't sell and I felt I couldn't do it because I'm no specialist in anything relating to space), there were two things that made me change my mind ...


I think the notion that hard SF doesn't sell is incorrect.

It's not that hard SF doesn't sell. (Most of what Analog publishes is hard SF -- and they have the largest circulation of the print SF magazines.)


Rather, it's that hard SF is extremely difficult to do well enough to sell.

You have to have polished line-level writing; you have to have well-developed characters who emotionally resonate with the reader; and you have to have a good overall story. That's true of any type of professional-level commercial fiction.

But with hard SF, you have to get the science right -- or if it's speculative future science, the science has to be internally consistent enough that those trained in the sciences won't think it's ridiculous.


It's a hard combination to pull off.

Most people trained in the sciences can't write fiction very well. (There are notable exception, like Gregory Benford, David Brin, Alastair Reynolds, etc.)

Most people who can write well don't really understand how science works. (Again, there are exceptions, like Kim Stanley Robinson, who is one of the very few literature professors who can actually write publishable commercial fiction. He obviously did an enormous amount of research in a dozen or more fields of science and technology for his Mars trilogy -- and he got it right as far as what he needed for the story.)


Hard SF it difficult to do . . . but when someone pulls off a hard SF story that works on all levels, I find it breathtaking.

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Re: Success!

Postby wswingley » Sun Nov 07, 2010 5:55 pm

Pfff... stinking B&N doesn't have the January Asimov's in yet. Hopefully next coffee trip...
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Re: Success!

Postby Patty » Sun Nov 07, 2010 6:53 pm

Sam,

I think what you've said is true. I also think that many people who can write well choose the easy road and don't want to delve into the science. They're suffering from the 'I know nothing about that' syndrome.

I also wonder, if Analog is the largest print publication, why they don't have more web presence. From a non-American writer's point-of-view, they seem to be almost low-key, yet, there are SF writers out here who write hard SF, yet don't seem to consider the magazine. They could do with a bit more advertising, methinks.
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Re: Success!

Postby Gwendolyn Clare » Sun Nov 07, 2010 8:52 pm

Sam Hidaka wrote:Most people trained in the sciences can't write fiction very well.


I think it would be more accurate to say that most people trained in the sciences don't have the time or inclination to learn how to write well.

I started an SF book club at my university because a friend of mine is the program coordinator for our Women in Science and Engineering group and we figured hey, if the university wants to buy our monthly reading material, why not? Through this group, I have met only three graduate women who were already well versed in SF literature. I've met two or three dozen who were interested in reading the genre but didn't have the time or resources to figure out where to start. I've met none -- a big fat zero -- who had any aspirations or interest in writing SF.

Partly, I think this is because the journey from undergrad to tenure is one big long race to publish more frequently and more awesomely than everyone else in your field. It's very difficult to pursue hobbies, let alone a serious secondary career, in the sciences. If you want to be successful, you're supposed to eat and breathe research. Not everyone in the sciences decides to live that way; I know it's certainly not for me, but then, I'll never get tenure at Harvard. My buddy who IMs me from the lab at 10pm is the one who's going to get tenure at Harvard. Me, I'm at home writing then.

Nobody's born with the Magic Writer Gene. Everyone who wants to write has to put in the time to learn how. Scientists are just less likely to spend their time on that.


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