Left Hand Publishers?

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Left Hand Publishers?

Postby chuckt » Tue Sep 24, 2019 6:28 am

Anyone got info on this outfit? They accepted a story of mine but then I see that Duotrope has disqualified them for offering paid services to accepted authors. I don't know if I care about that if the services are optional but I certainly don't want to publish with someone that isn't considered legit.

And I see one article that points out some questionable things in the contract: https://www.patreon.com/posts/authors-should-17357718
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Re: Left Hand Publishers?

Postby disgruntledpeony » Tue Sep 24, 2019 7:15 am

chuckt wrote:Anyone got info on this outfit? They accepted a story of mine but then I see that Duotrope has disqualified them for offering paid services to accepted authors. I don't know if I care about that if the services are optional but I certainly don't want to publish with someone that isn't considered legit.

And I see one article that points out some questionable things in the contract: https://www.patreon.com/posts/authors-should-17357718

A lot of the stuff listed on that example contract reads real bad--especially the stuff about first rights of refusal and royalties (the way that reads, you have to give them first option to publish anything featuring a character or setting they've previously published for, and you end up paying them if you use your characters and setting ANYWHERE afterward--for the rest of your life). I would read any contract they send you VERY closely before signing, and if it doesn't sit well with you don't sign it. Always protect your ideas; they're yours, and should remain that way.
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Postby jficke13 » Tue Sep 24, 2019 8:39 am

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Re: Left Hand Publishers?

Postby reigheena » Tue Sep 24, 2019 9:30 am

wow, that sounds like a horrible contract. Pro magazines don't ask for that much stuff. SFWA has some examples of what a good contract looks like. Generally, the more rights a company wants, the more they should pay you for it, and it sounds like they're not even paying you pro rates.
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Re: Left Hand Publishers?

Postby chuckt » Tue Sep 24, 2019 10:56 am

No they don't pay pro rates. I'm okay with that part. This story has gone through most of the pro-rate markets already.

The provisions last for 12 months. So I'm not giving away rights to the story elements forever. My story is a retelling of a chapter from the Odyssey so the characters are public domain anyway.

I just don't want to publish in something that isn't respectable.
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Re: Left Hand Publishers?

Postby disgruntledpeony » Tue Sep 24, 2019 11:26 am

chuckt wrote:No they don't pay pro rates. I'm okay with that part. This story has gone through most of the pro-rate markets already.

The provisions last for 12 months. So I'm not giving away rights to the story elements forever. My story is a retelling of a chapter from the Odyssey so the characters are public domain anyway.

I just don't want to publish in something that isn't respectable.

It's the royalties thing that looks fishy to me. You have to pay them 5% of anything you make on the characters for the first 24 months, 2.5% for a year after that, and then 1% in perpetuity. That seems very wrong to me, especially if pro rates aren't a thing.
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Re: Left Hand Publishers?

Postby chuckt » Tue Sep 24, 2019 11:28 am

disgruntledpeony wrote:It's the royalties thing that looks fishy to me. You have to pay them 5% of anything you make on the characters for the first 24 months, 2.5% for a year after that, and then 1% in perpetuity. That seems very wrong to me.


Hmm. I didn't catch that. Doesn't matter for this story but that does seem a rather bold grab for most works.
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Re: Left Hand Publishers?

Postby disgruntledpeony » Tue Sep 24, 2019 11:30 am

chuckt wrote:
disgruntledpeony wrote:It's the royalties thing that looks fishy to me. You have to pay them 5% of anything you make on the characters for the first 24 months, 2.5% for a year after that, and then 1% in perpetuity. That seems very wrong to me.


Hmm. I didn't catch that. Doesn't matter for this story but that does seem a rather bold grab.

That's why I brought it up, yeah.
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Re: Left Hand Publishers?

Postby Henckel » Tue Sep 24, 2019 1:10 pm

disgruntledpeony wrote:It's the royalties thing that looks fishy to me. You have to pay them 5% of anything you make on the characters for the first 24 months, 2.5% for a year after that, and then 1% in perpetuity. That seems very wrong to me, especially if pro rates aren't a thing.


WTF????

While I don't have any specif experience in "publication contracts", in my day job I'm a Senior Procurement Specialist and thus, I write contracts in my sleep. ....and this one doesn't smell right. As a matter of fact, it sounds dishonest!

I recommend dropping them... In my humble opinion.

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Re: Left Hand Publishers?

Postby chuckt » Tue Sep 24, 2019 2:03 pm

I don't even see the reason for it. Is it remotely likely that some novice writer that publishes a story with them is going to hit it big using an element of the story in the future?

Again, none of this matters for this story but if good writers are shunning this market, it doesn't do me any good to publish with them.
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Re: Left Hand Publishers?

Postby chuckt » Thu Sep 26, 2019 10:25 am

I decided to sell the story to them anyway. The agreement's aggressive provisions don't matter for this story and I think this one would be a difficult sale in most markets. And it will end up in a real paperback that can be purchased off Amazon. That's cool. The editors check out as legit. We'll see.
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